Qantas Points Club Discussion

[gizzard]

Will Qantas award flights booked using AA miles earn status credits?

Through Points Club? Without checking I'd say definitely not. Points Club is about earning QF points through methods other than flying. Once you reach 150k you can then earn points and status when booking Classic Rewards. It has nothing to do with AA.

Perhaps I've misunderstood your question.

 

[sudoer]

Through Points Club? Without checking I'd say definitely not. Points Club is about earning QF points through methods other than flying. Once you reach 150k you can then earn points and status when booking Classic Rewards. It has nothing to do with AA.

I understood it as @aikman already has a QFF account with Points Club or Points Club Plus. They also have an AA account with miles, and wanted to know whether a QF award booked using the AA miles could earn SC.

So long as the FF number on the booking can be changed to QFF and the itinerary books into the same U / X class used for QF-booked awards (which it should) I don't see why it wouldn't earn SC. It seems AA have allowed FF number changes in the past - although this thread is 6 years old so take with a grain of salt..

Changing FF number on award ticket

I have an AA business award ticket from SYD-CDG on Malaysia Airlines. I have recently lost my elite status with AA and would like to add my Qantas FF platinum number to the reservation. Is this possible?

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

 

[Mattg]

Through Points Club? Without checking I'd say definitely not. Points Club is about earning QF points through methods other than flying. Once you reach 150k you can then earn points and status when booking Classic Rewards. It has nothing to do with AA.

Perhaps I've misunderstood your question.

I think you have misunderstood the question.

As far as I'm aware @aikman yes you would if your QFF number is on the booking. Not sure if this has been tested yet specifically for an AA award booking on QF metal though.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Good question. The limitation is states as earning on 'Qantas marketed Classic Flight Rewards'. Is an AA issued award a 'classic flight reward'? Or is it some type of 'partner issued' award? (They could confirm this through ticket stock?)

 

[Mattg]

Good question. The limitation is states as earning on 'Qantas marketed Classic Flight Rewards'. Is an AA issued award a 'classic flight reward'? Or is it some type of 'partner issued' award? (They could confirm this through ticket stick?)

I don't think Qantas makes a distinction between the two in terms of awarding SCs to Points Club members.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I don't think Qantas makes a distinction between the two in terms of awarding SCs to Points Club members.

Actually - just had a look at the QFF terms and conditions. 'Classic flight reward' is a defined term:

'Classic Flight Reward' means a ticket and reservation for one or more Flights with a Qantas (QF) or a oneworld Member Airline or an Airline Partner (including Jetstar Airlines) flight number, and described by Qantas as a 'Classic Flight Reward', which a Member obtains through Qantas Frequent Flyer by redeeming Qantas Points, in accordance with these Terms and Conditions;​

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So it must be obtained through QFFF using Qantas points.

Link to QFF terms and conditions: Frequent Flyer Terms and Conditions | Qantas

Points club earning requirements (my bolding):

+ Points Club and Points Club Plus members will earn Status Credits on Qantas Marketed Classic Flight Rewards if they are a Points Club or Points Club Plus member at the time they fly. Your Qantas Frequent Flyer membership number must be recorded in your booking before your flight departs to receive the Status Credits. The Status Credit earn rate for Points Club and Points Club Plus members on Classic Flight Rewards. Classic Flight Rewards seats are subject to capacity controls, availability is limited, and some flights may not have any Classic Flight Rewards available. Taxes, fees and carrier charges are payable to Qantas (excluding any amounts payable to third parties at the airport) in addition to the points required.​

 

[Mattg]

Actually - just had a look at the QFF terms and conditions. 'Classic flight reward' is a defined term:

'Classic Flight Reward' means a ticket and reservation for one or more Flights with a Qantas (QF) or a oneworld Member Airline or an Airline Partner (including Jetstar Airlines) flight number, and described by Qantas as a 'Classic Flight Reward', which a Member obtains through Qantas Frequent Flyer by redeeming Qantas Points, in accordance with these Terms and Conditions;​

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So it must be obtained through QFFF using Qantas points.

Link to QFF terms and conditions: Frequent Flyer Terms and Conditions | Qantas

Points club earning requirements (my bolding):

+ Points Club and Points Club Plus members will earn Status Credits on Qantas Marketed Classic Flight Rewards if they are a Points Club or Points Club Plus member at the time they fly. Your Qantas Frequent Flyer membership number must be recorded in your booking before your flight departs to receive the Status Credits. The Status Credit earn rate for Points Club and Points Club Plus members on Classic Flight Rewards. Classic Flight Rewards seats are subject to capacity controls, availability is limited, and some flights may not have any Classic Flight Rewards available. Taxes, fees and carrier charges are payable to Qantas (excluding any amounts payable to third parties at the airport) in addition to the points required.​

Yes, you're correct, but what I meant is that I don't think the system is set up to only award SCs if the ticket was booked using Qantas points. I am aware of Points Club members earning SCs on awards booked via partner airlines.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yes, you're correct, but what I meant is that I don't think the system is set up to only award SCs if the ticket was booked using Qantas points. I am aware of Points Club members earning SCs on awards booked via partner airlines.

Ah, I see

While I guess that's good news, it's also good to have the factual basis in case people expect the ability to earn on awards issued via a partner. People calling up QF demanding SCs could potentially launch a broader audit of all SCs awarded to date (pretty easy to check using ticket stock)

 

[Vic]

Technically speaking isn't an award on a Qantas plane booked with AA miles, an AAward?

It might work, but suggest this is very much a case of suck it and see. And then stay stum...

 

[Obi-run Kenobi]

New 3rd Points Club tier in the pipeline:

See specific thread here:

Level above Qantas Points Club Plus

I just saw some information on Facebook that Qantas is considering another level above Qantas Points Club Plus - qualification possibly 800k points per membership year. Benefits they are tossing up include - 200 status credit rollover, first class lounge access passes, Qantas holiday vouchers etc

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

 

[sevenfourtyseven]

Has any Points Club Plus member rolled over the 100 Status Credits yet? Is this automated or is a manual request required? My year ends on 31 January.

 

[sudoer]

Has any Points Club Plus member rolled over the 100 Status Credits yet?

Yes, it was automatic.

Qantas Points Club Discussion

I didn't realise as a Gold that I wouldnt get the lounge passes, while I dont need them it would have been nice to give to friends. It's quite silly that from a lounge benefit perspective, the lower Points Club tier offers more to SG/WP/P1 QFF members than Points Club Plus. I wish they'd...

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

 

[sevenfourtyseven]

Thank you!

 

[dairyfloss]

Hi Folks - I've had a good look through the posts here and also looked around the QF website... I can't for the life of me figure out whether or not other PAX on your QF Classic Flight Reward booking might also earn SCs, where booked by the Points Club member. Anyone know, or can check from a flight booking they have completed with a non-Points Club QFF member?

Cheers,
Matt.

 

[sudoer]

Classic Flight Reward tables | Qantas Frequent Flyer

See how many Status Credits you’ll earn on Qantas marketed Classic Flight Rewards as a member of Points Club or Points Club Plus.

www.qantas.com

Status Credits will only be earned on Classic Flight Rewards if the flight is marketed or ticketed as ‘QF’, if the member is a Points Club or Points Club Plus member at the time of flying, and if the member’s Qantas Frequent Flyer number is added to the booking.

I don't think it matters how many other Points Club members are on the booking or who the primary traveller is. Only Points Club members will earn SC from classic awards.

 

[dairyfloss]

I don't think it matters how many other Points Club members are on the booking or who the primary traveller is. Only Points Club members will earn SC from classic awards.

Yes, ok - that's a little clearer than the texts I was looking at. Thanks

Cheers,
Matt.

 

[FlyingKangaroo]

Yes, you're correct, but what I meant is that I don't think the system is set up to only award SCs if the ticket was booked using Qantas points. I am aware of Points Club members earning SCs on awards booked via partner airlines.

I suspect this is the case as long as the ticket, regardless of which partner issues it, lists a QF flight number and corresponding QF fare code.

For example, I have an award booked in April for the QF flight below using Alaska points that appears as follows in QF's system:



The Alaska ticket also shows the flight as QF 646 in Travel Class "U."

"U" is defined as a "Classic Flight Award Business" according to QF's fare class types. At Alaska, "U" is for upgrades, so it's not a coincidence and they're using QF's codes for QF flights.

Given that, I suspect QF's system treats it as though QF issued the ticket, hence why Points Club members would likely receive SCs in such situations. Presumably they could set something up to catch the ticket number as not being QF-issued, but may not be worth the effort. (By nature of the PointsClub qualification requirements, most PointsClub members are arguably not using other programs for QF awards.)

On a legal note, there's a bit of seemingly contradictory language here. While the definition of "Classic Flight Award" does appear to be limited only to awards actually obtained through QF's program, that limitation seems at odds with the statement that, "Status Credits will only be earned on Classic Flight Rewards if the flight is marketed or ticketed as ‘QF’." If only flights obtained through QF's program qualify, then logic would dictate ONLY tickets issued by QF could qualify, yet the option is presented here as "marketed or ticketed."

My lawyer brain tells me the "marketed or ticketed" statement is likely a technical mistake and that it's best to assume the limitation in the definition is correct, but again, it also seems plausible why awards issued by partners but marketed with QF flight numbers are earning SCs anyway.

I suppose I shall soon find out, though if it doesn't work, I'll have about two months to scramble up a new plan to earn my 100 SCs for Fast Track.

 

[sudoer]

If I book a cash fare, this charge does not exist.

I'm not entirely sure what the relevance to Points Club is, but yes, this is expected with Qantas awards. Quite a few airlines tack on a carrier charge when booking classic awards.

 

[Obi-run Kenobi]

I've managed to accrue 56,000 worth of Qantas points which from Brisbane will get me a return flight to Singapore which is somewhere I've always wanted to go. I've looked at using these points and when I get to the checkout I'm smashed with over $300 worth of fees and taxes. There is a very vague charge there which is listed as 'other carrier charges' and it's a big round figure of $150 that only applies to reward bookings. If I book a cash fare, this charge does not exist.









Kodi nox

Welcome to Qantas.

Taxes are a necessary evil with most carriers. That 56k for a return to SIN would be economy, so not the best use of points if you have to pay $300+ as well. May as well just purchase a cash fare when they go on sale.

 

[aus_flyer]

Let's get back on topic