Qantas Project Sunrise goes ahead, 12 new A350-1000s ordered

[justinbrett]

J Class.

Those who love doors can rejoice!

It's like mini first class!

 

[moa999]

also want to know:

Airbus is introducing its own version of electronic windows, which from videos I've seen so look a lot darker.

Toilets we will have to wait for a proper seat plan.

The A350 in 3-3-3 economy should be about 18" seat width - the cabin is wider than the 787.

As foot cubby style seats, much like the 380/787 Suites, droop should be a thing of the past.
(I note no photos from Qantas of that angle, though the Saffran renders above look OK)

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Wonder if Qantas is still contracted to ViaSat for ViaSat 3.. the first of three launches is now scheduled in the coming months, with the last Asian focussed sat in 2024.

 

[jakeseven7]

The photos are at a small link at the bottom of the press release:

First looks lovely, although I'm sure I will never see it!

I will be back in J, which also looks good.

 

[Kiwi_Flyer]

I also want to know:

Are proper window shades are going to be a feature or the fairer and simpler electronic shades

How many toilets per cabin

Are the lie flat seats going to droop

How wide are the Y seats

How hard are the seats

Entertainment screen functionality

Etc etc


Can I get some objective answers???

Can I get a free ride so I can do an independent review. Im not an airline reviewer so that should be fairer and simpler.
Oh, actually that means my review cant be independent..Ho Hum....

But I promise to use a 50mm lens for pictures so I don't enhance the look...

This was before P1 existed but some of us got a joyride in qf a380 prior to commercial launch. I was on the secret top tier at the time and got F.

 

[Quickstatus]

As foot cubby style seats

I really don't like the cubby style. Hopefully these will be better.

the cabin is wider than the 787.

It's apparently about 12cm wider (cabin interior) compared with 787.

So each Y seat should be 1.3cm wider than the 787.

Those who love doors

Can passengers take the entire bottle?. Or is that only for show?

 

[Fergo747]

Regarding loo's, if you take current A350-1000 configs (e.g. QR, CX), one could assume that there will be 2x loos forward of F (i.e. just behind L1/R1) and 2x loos between the two J cabins (i.e. around the galley and L2/R2) noting that QR only has one loo at this second position.

Now, it's anyone's guess as to whether the 2x loos up front would be F-only as if that's the case then would only leave 2 looks for all J. Also we cannot assume that QF will put 2 loos near the second row of doors given QR haven't (as they already have three for J as there's no F).

 

[Quickstatus]

Spreadsheet of current loo config on international fleet

Sacré Bleu if F pax may have to share Loos with J pax? . This might be good or not good depending on POV

The ratios are broadly similar if there are 7 loos in the A350-100:

 

[UP4014]

Oh, and some hints of new PE cabin - and hopefully a better seat….

Free to connect. Pay to use…?

Or complimentary 100 MB that’ll last 1 min of 20 hr flight.

So everyone must bring their own device an no more TVs.

 

[SYD]

So everyone must bring their own device an no more TVs.

Don’t believe so. The blurb talks about the screens in the premium cabins. Nothing so far about Y+/Y.

 

[Daver6]

As foot cubby style seats, much like the 380/787 Suites, droop should be a thing of the past.
(I note no photos from Qantas of that angle, though the Saffran renders above look OK)

Those J seats still have droop issues. The bit that extends to the fixed foot rest sometimes doesn't go all the way. This puts pressure on one's knees as they hyper-extend when on your back laying down.

 

[UP4014]

Don’t believe so. The blurb talks about the screens in the premium cabins. Nothing so far about Y+/Y.

Sorry it was a bit tongue in cheek.

 

[Daver6]

Good to see wireless charging being offered. Hopefully it will be fast wireless otherwise it's a bit useless.

 

[kpro]

I'm a bit skeptical... I think this will have a little ✷=fairer and simpler.

Maybe free data - enough to read one email, or free but it takes the whole flight to open a webpage.
How much is the premium (paid of course) product.
How much of the free data is taken up in Ads?

Free to connect. Pay to use…?

Or complimentary 100 MB that’ll last 1 min of 20 hr flight.

Many airlines have unlimited chat plans where only messaging services work, and without media. It could just be that.

 

[Quickstatus]

fast wireless

There is no such thing as fast wireless charging. And devices get very hot. For example there have been phones allegedly damaged due to wireless charging on some next gen Ford rangers. The heat might be a safety issue on an aircraft. Have there been phone fires due to wireless charging?

only messaging services work

fairer and simpler

This puts pressure on one's knees as they hyper-extend when on your back laying down.

And spine

 

[drron]

Can passengers take the entire bottle?. Or is that only for show?

No it might mean you have to go and pour your own refills rather than bothering the staff. Much fairer and simpler.

 

[Quickstatus]

pour your own refills rather than bothering the staff. Much fairer and simpler.

Jut take it to the fairest and simplest extent and don't bother about pouring?

 

[D747]

Good to see wireless charging being offered. Hopefully it will be fast wireless otherwise it's a bit useless.

How fast would it need to be on a 20 hour flight?

 

[Berlin]

Looks stylish and the doors in J will make a huge difference in my opinions. I know that some folks don't care too much about them but I feel they give you a much better feeling of privacy (even though it actually isn't really because a tall flight attendant can easily look over it).

I was lucky to fly on Qatar's 787-10 last year which is quite similarly a fairly standard business seat with a sliding door attached (different to their famous Q suites which didn't fit the 787, apparently). I had thought from seeing pictures that it might give the cabin a bit of a claustrophobic feel but not so. It actually felt more private and this was a relatively short daytime hop from Doha up to Berlin- would be even more beneficial on a long overnight flight.

However, it also depends on how the crew interacts with the seat-on QR, they always politely knocked before pulling the door open. On Emirate's First, I've experienced some crews who took the closed doors as a sign of "Privacy requested" while others simply disturbed you whenever they felt like it. If Qantas does the latter, and I wouldn't be surprised by that in the slightest, then the whole idea of the door goes out the window to a degree. But I'd generally prefer door over no door and I get the feeling that this is what the market demands as well.

 

[jakeseven7]

Looks stylish and the doors in J will make a huge difference in my opinions. I know that some folks don't care too much about them but I feel they give you a much better feeling of privacy (even though it actually isn't really because a tall flight attendant can easily look over it).

I was lucky to fly on Qatar's 787-10 last year which is quite similarly a fairly standard business seat with a sliding door attached (different to their famous Q suites which didn't fit the 787, apparently). I had thought from seeing pictures that it might give the cabin a bit of a claustrophobic feel but not so. It actually felt more private and this was a relatively short daytime hop from Doha up to Berlin- would be even more beneficial on a long overnight flight.

However, it also depends on how the crew interacts with the seat-on QR, they always politely knocked before pulling the door open. On Emirate's First, I've experienced some crews who took the closed doors as a sign of "Privacy requested" while others simply disturbed you whenever they felt like it. If Qantas does the latter, and I wouldn't be surprised by that in the slightest, then the whole idea of the door goes out the window to a degree. But I'd generally prefer door over no door and I get the feeling that this is what the market demands as well.

They might continue the Do Not Disturb feature for this on QF.

I don't know if EK/QR have that though, given QR's propensity to do whatever they want to humans I wouldn't be surprised if they ignored it anyway!

 

[RooFlyer]

They might continue the Do Not Disturb feature for this on QF.

I don't know if EK/QR have that though, given QR's propensity to do whatever they want to humans I wouldn't be surprised if they ignored it anyway!

Bizarre statement. And QR does have 'do not disturb' on their B777s (as well as very good FA service, excellent meals - not a sign of Neil Perry gourmet leaves - and a whole bunch of other good stuff .)