Qantas - Sorry But I Am Over You

[MEL_Traveller]

I just asked my 3yo if she knew who her parents are. Nope didn't understand the word, but knew who Mum and Dad are.

Are you same sex parents?

 

[amaroo]

I'll admit I haven't bothered reading any posts other than the first one.

But it's all good as we can still call it the " Chairman's" lounge .... what a deadset wanker!

 

[Deleted member]

On the Mr and Mrs debate, I am of the opinion that how you decide to portray yourself does not mean I will automatically understand or recognise that. i.e. if you decide ( as a couple) to break from tradition/ convention, and retain your surname , it is not encumbent upon me to automatically know it.
I know for plenty of folk this is fast becoming standard practice. Forgetting for one moment the original reasons for a single family name, in this modern digital world we now inhabit having a nuclear family of three , all of whom have different last names is just silly (INMHO).
My question is this, when the children of this increasingly new fashion grow older and marry (or whatever will pass for marriage by then) will Tarquin digby-Jones and felicity Wallace - Smith , give thought to the moniker they saddle their first born with?
Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not against individuality in life, and I realise plenty of people want to keep their identity after marriage, but where does it end?

 

[Deleted member]

So your comment about oldies stuffed up the environment (what do you consider oldies?)

Or more specifically, who” do you consider are the guilty oldies?

 

[Deleted member]

lol. autocorrect. changed now.

Any company.

The word Chair is gender neutral and perfectly acceptable.

Actually that theory has been debunked for quite some time. Something to do with assuming a Latin root “manus” meaning hand. I’m sure a google search will reveal the specifics

 

[Vic]

Chairman is gender neutral, at least if we understand the origins of english.
Anyone who objections to chairman, also needs to object to person

and of course woman, women

 

[Pushka]

Chairman is gender neutral, at least if we understand the origins of english.
Anyone who objections to chairman, also needs to object to person

Well I’m just wondering when we we rewrite the history of Mankind.

 

[Hvr]

Chairman is gender neutral, at least if we understand the origins of english.
Anyone who objections to chairman, also needs to object to person

and of course woman, women

Oh the humanity! I think we'll need an ombudsman to decide how to communicate,

 

[Deleted member]

Chairman is gender neutral, at least if we understand the origins of english.
Anyone who objections to chairman, also needs to object to person

and of course woman, women

Here is an article worth a read :

Origin of the species: Is ‘chairman’ a gender-neutral term? - SmartCompany

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Actually that theory has been debunked for quite some time. Something to do with assuming a Latin root “manus” meaning hand. I’m sure a google search will reveal the specifics

Indeed. And the article you subsequently posted debunks that argument. But I was going to say that despite any claimed origins, the term today is perhaps associated with a 'man', and a more neutral term is fairly inoffensive.

 

[Denali]

I just asked my 3yo if she knew who her parents are. Nope didn't understand the word, but knew who Mum and Dad are.....

Are you same sex parents?

If they were a same sex family, wouldnt they then be mum and mum or dad and dad. Maybe with a variation of mum and mum and a dad if there was a friend/IVF situation or dad and dad and aunty/friend who may have carried or supplied the egg.

Its a new world and as I get older, less boxes we all fit in. Which is nice most of the time.

 

[Denali]

..... all of whom have different last names is just silly.....

If you want family surname uniformity I suppose all males can just change their surname to their wife/spouses surname. Did you cringe at the idea of you changing your surname? So did I, at the thought of changing mine to my husbands when I married 18yrs ago.

 

[Pushka]

If they were a same sex family, wouldnt they then be mum and mum or dad and dad. Maybe with a variation of mum and mum and a dad if there was a friend/IVF situation or dad and dad and aunty/friend who may have carried or supplied the egg.

Its a new world and as I get older, less boxes we all fit in. Which is nice most of the time.

There were 2 mums at my son’s school back in the 90’s.

My son and his partner are doing the surname issue thing at the moment. I think they’ve reached a nice compromise that will work for their children as well without the double barrel name thing. It’s interesting that giving a child a double barrel surname pretty much prevents them from doing the same for their kids. Unless double double is the new norm. Marrying later means that a woman has had her surname potentially for almost half their lives so why should that just go?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

If they were a same sex family, wouldnt they then be mum and mum or dad and dad.

Possibly, but the point was that if the OP is a heterosexual couple, the evidence provided by their child is possibly not relevant. A same sex couple's child may be more aware of their situation and have a different answer.

 

[Hvr]

There were 2 mums at my son’s school back in the 90’s.

Actually every child there had a mother so probably hundreds of mums depending on the size of the school.

Did you mean to say you were aware of a "family with two mums in the 90s"?

 

[Pushka]

Actually every child there had a mother so probably hundreds of mums depending on the size of the school.

Did you mean to say you were aware of a "family with two mums in the 90s"?

Grammar thread?

 

[fitzy]

Possibly, but the point was that if the OP is a heterosexual couple, the evidence provided by their child is possibly not relevant. A same sex couple's child may be more aware of their situation and have a different answer.

Also is the OP suggesting that Qantas language policy be based on what a three year old thinks?

 

[Vic]

Here is an article worth a read :

Origin of the species: Is ‘chairman’ a gender-neutral term? - SmartCompany

It's a good read. the objections are interesting. Manus always manifests as "Manu" based on example with "manu" at the beginning. I struggle with the concept that english evolution would not have dropped the u from chairmanu. But then there should be examples in older texts.
french and latin roots are rarely combined - could this be one of the rare examples?

But overall if people what to ignore the meaning of chairman as the manager because it has gender based word on the end, I do not see how replacing it with a word that still has that same word on the end, "chairwoman", or another gender based word, "chairperson", fixes the problem.

Umm manager - is that an example were MANU is not used?

Well I’m just wondering when we we rewrite the history of Mankind.

would it become the history of humankind?

 

[Pushka]

It's a good read. the objections are interesting. Manus always manifests as "Manu" based on example with "manu" at the beginning. I struggle with the concept that english evolution would not have dropped the u from chairmanu. But then there should be examples in older texts.
french and latin roots are rarely combined - could this be one of the rare examples?

But overall if people what to ignore the meaning of chairman as the manager because it has gender based word on the end, I do not see how replacing it with a word that still has that same word on the end, "chairwoman", or another gender based word, "chairperson", fixes the problem.

Umm manager - is that an example were MANU is not used?



would it become the history of humankind?

Well, human doesn’t work either.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Also is the OP suggesting that Qantas language policy be based on what a three year old thinks?

I guess it does become important where you might have UMs and the child is I dunno... 6 or older? Old enough to understand 'difference'.