Qantas to move to new Perth Airport terminal, expand Perth hub

[jase05]

It’s one stop to most airports in Europe. By 2032, I’d expect and SYD, MEL, BNE To have direct to at least LHR and probably CDG/AMS and it’s one stop connection to your final destination on a BA or AF/KLM flight

But that’s the point. After flying for 20hrs on QF the last thing I want to do is transit through a dump like CDG and then get on a woeful Euro J product and fly backwards to my final destination when I can get a better quality ME carrier for both legs.
QF will be great for the non stop flights but a poor option for all other Euro ports

 

[jase05]

QF F and J seats are more comfortable on long haul than many others, including the Sandpit Airlines.

Haven’t flown on the QF A380 for years so can’t comment on that but whilst the A330 and 787 J seats are quite comfortable I’d still put the ME airlines above them. The problem is the ME airlines can sub out aircraft for inferior ones but thankfully I have not copped that too often

 

[Sprucegoose]

Haven’t flown on the QF A380 for years so can’t comment on that but whilst the A330 and 787 J seats are quite comfortable I’d still put the ME airlines above them. The problem is the ME airlines can sub out aircraft for inferior ones but thankfully I have not copped that too often

I would put the QF F seat ahead of all others (strong statement) including EK F (380).

QF J works for me in row one.

The sub-issue is annoying and less of a risk with QF.

 

[SeaWolf]

The "artists impressions" are certainly very impressive and it's great that there's now (finally) agreement on a path forward to put the terminals together. However, I'll believe it when they break ground. Growing up in WA in the 90s this was getting talked about back then and there's been stop/start attempts before, so like everything in WA I expect we'll have to Wait Awhile.

Speaking of having to Wait Awhile, hope no one is flying out of Perth today...

Passengers vent fury after Perth Airport flight cancellations

A refuelling issue at Perth Airport which had grounded dozens of domestic and international flights is resolved, but many passengers are unhappy.

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[Sprucegoose]

The "artists impressions" are certainly very impressive and it's great that there's now (finally) agreement on a path forward to put the terminals together. However, I'll believe it when they break ground. Growing up in WA in the 90s this was getting talked about back then and there's been stop/start attempts before, so like everything in WA I expect we'll have to Wait Awhile.

Speaking of having to Wait Awhile, hope no one is flying out of Perth today...

Passengers vent fury after Perth Airport flight cancellations

A refuelling issue at Perth Airport which had grounded dozens of domestic and international flights is resolved, but many passengers are unhappy.

www.abc.net.au

It will happen before Melbourne Airport gets a cho cho

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[TY24]

Haven’t flown on the QF A380 for years so can’t comment on that but whilst the A330 and 787 J seats are quite comfortable I’d still put the ME airlines above them. The problem is the ME airlines can sub out aircraft for inferior ones but thankfully I have not copped that too often

At least you know what you're getting on QF. The J Suite is good, nothing incredible but still a decent seat, on par with EKs best seat and miles better than their worst.

It's on par with some QR seats, worse than some, and better than some.

It's on par with both of SQ's seats too. Where it gets let down is the inconsistent soft product

It'll be interesting to see if the 787-10's get delivered with the new A350 seats or retain the current seats. Given the new seats are being marketed as 'A350 seats', I'd lean towards them continuing with the current 787 seats.

 

[jase05]

At least you know what you're getting on QF. The J Suite is good, nothing incredible but still a decent seat, on par with EKs best seat and miles better than their worst.

It's on par with some QR seats, worse than some, and better than some.

It's on par with both of SQ's seats too. Where it gets let down is the inconsistent soft product

It'll be interesting to see if the 787-10's get delivered with the new A350 seats or retain the current seats. Given the new seats are being marketed as 'A350 seats', I'd lean towards them continuing with the current 787 seats.

By time they are rolled out QR should have their new product out and they always like to stay a step ahead of he rest so will be interesting to see their new product.

 

[RSVKanga]

It'll be interesting to see if the 787-10's get delivered with the new A350 seats or retain the current seats. Given the new seats are being marketed as 'A350 seats', I'd lean towards them continuing with the current 787 seats.

I think it would be a very non-competitive decision for QF to install the current 2014 seats on the 787-10 and new 787-9s in 2027. In 2024, it's still a very competitive product but arguably the same can't be said for the years after 2027. It could and should be the A350 suites that are installed. Indeed, 2027 will mark 10 years of VH-ZNA being in service and fits well for the start of a 787 retrofitting program to bring the existing 787 fleet in line with the A350s and newer 787s. Also, if F proves to be popular on the A350 then I don't see why the 787-10s shouldn't get F as well.

 

[RooFlyer]

If ME airlines lose out by not having scheduled non stops, they'll go for scheduling them.

Or discounting price. Again, even now there is a premium on the QF PER-LHR flights, to save maybe 4-5 hours flying time. Make the difference more than a couple of thousand dollars and I think even the corporate bean counters will look twice at paying for Qantas direct just to save a few hours. Individuals will be silly to pay that much more. But of course, some Qantas limpets will, and good luck to them.

It’s one stop to most airports in Europe. By 2032, I’d expect and SYD, MEL, BNE To have direct to at least LHR and probably CDG/AMS and it’s one stop connection to your final destination on a BA or AF/KLM flight. And your city doesn’t even have QR, or EK, or any international airline anyway (apart from NZ suspended). So 2-stop will remain for Tasmanians flying to smaller European cities regardless of whether they choose Sunrise or ME airlines. Not sure what your argument is here.

My argument is against your absurd claim that the ME airlines will crumble away from the Oz market in the face of Qantas direct flights to a couple of European ports. It was an absurd proposition then and it will remain an absurd proposition, for the multiple reasons I listed above. So its "one stop to most airports in Europe" (on QF) now? Hey, just like the ME airlines (and soon to be Turkish as well) where it will be quicker, cheaper and with an easier connection, on a single airline.

And your city doesn’t even have QR, or EK, or any international airline anyway (apart from NZ suspended). So 2-stop will remain for Tasmanians flying to smaller European cities regardless of whether they choose Sunrise or ME airlines.

Correct, Qantas does not fly internationally from HBA (and I wouldn't expect it to). When I choose to fly to Europe, I choose to fly to ADL and then catch QR rather than, say QF from MEL, which is closer.

And you make my exact point, thanks. For most European destinations, Sunrise makes no gain in convenience over flying ME airlines (or TK, later). Only the ME services will be cheaper, on a single airline through its hub.

ps ANZ flights from HBA were suspended when ANZ had an engine issue and were limited with airframes. Its now seasonal, October-March.

Qantas has craftily targeted the cash-rich and time-poor hence, I believe, on balance, the direct flights will be successful

I agree entirely. I said It will succeed (and it is). My argument is against the crazy proposition that they will decimate (or words to that effect) the ME carriers' business in Australia.

QF F and J seats are more comfortable on long haul than many others, including the Sandpit Airlines.

QF F I agree - probably the best F bed I have flown (although not overall F experience - SQ suites leave it for dust, as does LH F).

For J I don't agree; QSuites rule, as per just about every travel writer out ther (and me )

 

[RSVKanga]

My argument is against the crazy proposition that they will decimate (or words to that effect) the ME carriers' business in Australia.

How is it crazy when that’s the facts? Etihad pulled out of PER after QF launched PER-LHR, and they haven’t expressed interest in returning. QR is also worried so they chose the alternative option which is to use their infinite oil funds to capacity dump the A380 into Perth hoping that it would fix the problem. Melbourne is the largest city in the continent and even they don’t get QR A380 service. Brisbane is also larger but they don’t get it as well.

If there was strong demand, then Etihad would have brought Perth back. That’s not happening.

The QF expansion into CDG combined with existing FCO and LHR will mean things are only going to get better for QF and Australia at the expense of the ME airlines.

RooFlyer said:
For J I don't agree; QSuites rule, as per just about every travel writer out there (and me )

Travel writers are forced to give full merit to Qatar when writing reviews about them, or they will be banned from the airline. But that’s a matter for another thread

 

[Sprucegoose]

For J I don't agree; QSuites rule, as per just about every travel writer out ther (and me )

I would say that’s fair comment.

 

[jase05]

How is it crazy when that’s the facts? Etihad pulled out of PER after QF launched PER-LHR, and they haven’t expressed interest in returning. QR is also worried so they chose the alternative option which is to use their infinite oil funds to capacity dump the A380 into Perth hoping that it would fix the problem. Melbourne is the largest city in the continent and even they don’t get QR A380 service. Brisbane is also larger but they don’t get it as well.

If there was strong demand, then Etihad would have brought Perth back. That’s not happening.

The QF expansion into CDG combined with existing FCO and LHR will mean things are only going to get better for QF and Australia at the expense of the ME airlines.


Travel writers are forced to give full merit to Qatar when writing reviews about them, or they will be banned from the airline. But that’s a matter for another thread

I dare say you have never flown QSuites before but they ahead of what QF has to offer in J IMO and that is the same for most people I know. I also regard the EY 787 seat better too but each to their own. You do realise that other airlines out there do have a better hard product than QF and I can probably think of a dozen who have better J seating than QF. And don’t get me started on the woeful food onboard QF

 

[RichardMEL]

Correlation does not equal causation. EY could have pulled out of PER for reasons other than QF doing PER-LHR. Competition from EK and QR for one, more profitable places to put aircraft etc. QF may be a factor, but the sole reason? Well.. EY knows more than us.

 

[RooFlyer]

How is it crazy when that’s the facts? Etihad pulled out of PER after QF launched PER-LHR, and they haven’t expressed interest in returning.

If you pulled your outlook beyond Qantas and Perth, you might discover that EY had restructured itself globally into a smaller airline after years of loses. If you read a few articles you will see this was due to competition from QR and EK. Not Qantas.

Melbourne is the largest city in the continent and even they don’t get QR A380 service. Brisbane is also larger but they don’t get it as well.

You may be shocked to learn that the world is a big place and there is a limited number of A380s in QR fleet. But maybe they might swing an A380 or two onto Melbourne or other Australian routes if - ahem - a certain minister didn’t rule against expanding their capacity when - ahem - another airline complained against it. Someone forgot to tell Qantas that they were going to walk all over the Middle East Airlines.

If there was strong demand, then Etihad would have brought Perth back. That’s not happening.

if they was strong profitability, (compared to other uses for their aircraft ) they might. But given their new structure I think that’s unlikely.

Travel writers are forced to give full merit to Qatar when writing reviews about them, or they will be banned from the airline. But that’s a matter for another thread

We'll, I wouldn't call a YouTuber a travel writer, if for no other reason that I don’t actually write anything. Other than that, you know you can't substantiate the 'forced to' bit - but anyway ....

But let’s get back to Perth. How’s that going for QF10 today . Personally, I would prefer a stop in Doha rather than Karratha, but that’s just me doing me again.

 

[RSVKanga]

But let’s get back to Perth. How’s that going for QF10 today . Personally, I would prefer a stop in Doha rather than Karratha, but that’s just me doing me again.

I tried my best to take this as a joke but it seems like you've just unlocked a whole new level of desperation. Is this really your defence against PER's inevitable rise and expansion as a major QF international hub?

I assume you're a citizen of Australia, so you should ideally have nothing to fear from an iconic Australian brand expanding its enterprise on the world stage in Australia with this $12b PER plan. If anything it should be strongly supported.

But you do you.

 

[serfty]

I assume you're a citizen of Australia, so you should ideally have nothing to fear from an iconic Australian brand expanding its enterprise on the world stage in Australia with this $12b PER plan. If anything it should be strongly supported.

If Qantas "Crush" their competitors as you have put it, such can only lead to a near monopoly - with that comes higher air fares. (Qantas have shown they will charge as much as they can get away with.)

As a traveller who is cost conscious, that does mean I have something to fear should your expressed dreams be realised.

 

[RSVKanga]

If Qantas "Crush" their competitors as you have put it, such can only leads to a monopoly - with that comes higher air fares.

If BA, LH, VS and AF fail to launch competition on Sunrise routes due to lack of initiative or different commercial interests, its their fault that nonstop between Australia and Europe is/will be a monopoly.

Also, is an Australian company having a monopoly in an international market necessarily 'bad' for our country and its economy? Yes, you and me may be paying more, but since the corporation is Australian-owned and based (with a vast majority Australian workforce), the benefits of a QF monopoly to the overall Australian economy outweighs the downsides. Overall good for the country.

 

[serfty]

Overall good for the country.

But not for me - and many other members of this forum.

You are welcome to your dreams but don't express them here as fact or even representative of the general membership of this forum.

 

[RichardMEL]

I would argue a company in a monopolistic position is a muxed blessing at best. Bad for consumers as mentioned, bad for inflationary pressures (higher prices), potentially bad for onbound tourism and thus onemward effect on the economy, employment etc

There's a much bigger picture with sych a situation.

 

[RooFlyer]

Is this really your defence against PER's inevitable rise and expansion as a major QF international hub?

No, its something else entirely. I'm sure others can guess, but in the meantime lets keep this up!