Qatar airways to join Oneworld on 30th October 2013

[beardoc]

Re: [Confirmed] Qatar May be Invited to Join One World

Now the big question for me is where DOH is going to be positioned in regards continents - will it be in with Europe or will it be in Africa or Asia?

 

[cmon0005]

Re: [Confirmed] Qatar May be Invited to Join One World

I hope QF embraces this, not to overshadow their partnership with EK but to compliment it and to offer choice to their FF's.

For eg. If I want to fly to Doha, I would like like to see 2 options in their booking engine not 1 only (EK).
MEL>DXB (QF) >DOH (EK with no SC's)
MEL>DXB (QF) >DOH (QR with OW benefits/SC's)

This way we have the choice, OW/FF's are kept happy.etc.

 

[Standby]

Re: [Confirmed] Qatar May be Invited to Join One World

As BA is sponsoring the entry and I guess relations cooling with QF, its reasonable to expect BA code on MEL & PER services in the future to give them 3 "1 Stop" options to LHR ex Aust vs their 1 Now.

 

[Platinum A332]

Re: [Confirmed] Qatar May be Invited to Join One World

An error in the oneworld press release? Or a sign of things to come?

Qatar Airways' network serves 120 destinations in 70 countries in the Middle East, Europe, Africa, North and South America, Asia and Australasia, including oneworld hubs Amman, Berlin Tegel, Buenos Aires Ezeiza, Hong Kong, London Heathrow, Madrid, Melbourne, Moscow Domodedovo, New York JFK, Osaka Kansai, Sydney, Tokyo Narita, and the Kuala Lumpur home of oneworld member elect Malaysia Airlines.

 

[anat0l]

Now the big question for me is where DOH is going to be positioned in regards continents - will it be in with Europe or will it be in Africa or Asia?

For xONEx purposes, I thought DOH (serviced by BA at least) falls within Europe.

If you're thinking this is a xONE3 opportunity (i.e. cut out Asia), think again. Current rules of the ticket specifically say that a direct SWP to EUR (I think it might've said Middle East) flight is considered to touch Asia. They might change the rules, but then they may not......

Sent from my GT-I9300 using AustFreqFly

 

[dk4]

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This makes... Cathay Pacific and now Qatar all partners of Qantas directly or indirectly -- will interesting to see the competitive implications.

Cathay Pacific is IMO, an extremely rigorous competitor of Qantas, it might be in the same alliance and a partner with QFF (double F), but it competes hard against the actual QF (single F), even on the soon to be dropped codeshare route. (One might argue, even leveraging its position within the same alliance to do so more effectively! )

"Alliance" does not always = "Partnership"

(Possibly why some airlines place value on "partnerships" and none on "alliances", as often alliances can provide a back door, which savvy competitors may use, directly into another airline's customer base! )

 

[beardoc]

Re: [Confirmed] Qatar May be Invited to Join One World

For xONEx purposes, I thought DOH (serviced by BA at least) falls within Europe.

If you're thinking this is a xONE3 opportunity (i.e. cut out Asia), think again. Current rules of the ticket specifically say that a direct SWP to EUR (I think it might've said Middle East) flight is considered to touch Asia. They might change the rules, but then they may not......

I'm not thinking xONE3 - usually I go DONE5 or higher - the reason for the excitement is additional capacity KRT-DOH, which will make AONE5s and DONE5s ex-KRT easier.

 

[ozmille]

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I'm not thinking xONE3 - usually I go DONE5 or higher - the reason for the excitement is additional capacity KRT-DOH, which will make AONE5s and DONE5s ex-KRT easier.

that is an amazing DONE fare :shock: How do you go about having these issued? Local TA?

 

[whatmeworry]

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I just wish all these new OW partners would just hurry up and join!

 

[samh004]

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Hooray! But as Ansett has already said, how will this work with Qantas and Emirates? I won't be so impressed if QF plans to leave OW. Surely they couldn't - or maybe the plan is to replace them with J* (God forbid!).

Just to answer that seriously, I don't see how that'd be possible with JQ not recognising any form of status, they'd have to drastically change to be 'accepted'. I know they're in the xONE fares, but can't imagine OneWorld would stand to let a carrier in that wouldn't recognise any of the other carriers FF's.

I must admit this is looking complicated in regards to the QF/EK tie, but presume Qantas has known about this potential new member for a while, and will have gone through the issues. I plan on sticking with Qantas, they work for me, but if the solution is leaving OneWorld, despite my lack of flights with other carriers it will be hard for me to stick with them. I like having the option, the security in flying with more than one partner, even if that partner is huge.

Also I see Iran as a possible destination, always wanted to visit!

 

[serfty]

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that is an amazing DONE fare :shock: How do you go about having these issued? Local TA?

Can't do a local TA as the Oz fare would need to be paid.

Either ticket in KRT (Sudan) or Canada to get that price.

FT has a very thorough thread on it and the pitfalls of Khartoum and Sudanese visa's:

AONE4 from Khartoum

 

[The Rok]

Just to answer that seriously, I don't see how that'd be possible with JQ not recognising any form of status, they'd have to drastically change to be 'accepted'. I know they're in the xONE fares, but can't imagine OneWorld would stand to let a carrier in that wouldn't recognise any of the other carriers FF's.

I must admit this is looking complicated in regards to the QF/EK tie, but presume Qantas has known about this potential new member for a while, and will have gone through the issues. I plan on sticking with Qantas, they work for me, but if the solution is leaving OneWorld, despite my lack of flights with other carriers it will be hard for me to stick with them. I like having the option, the security in flying with more than one partner, even if that partner is huge.

Also I see Iran as a possible destination, always wanted to visit!

Personally I think QF would be better ditching OW altogether, expending Jetstar Asia further and then striking agreements with other carriers on an individual basis such as EK, AA, EI, and maybe a few more such as SAA....

My opinion doesn't matter though. :-(

 

[samh004]

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Personally I think QF would be better ditching OW altogether, expending Jetstar Asia further and then striking agreements with other carriers on an individual basis such as EK, AA, EI, and maybe a few more such as SAA....

My opinion doesn't matter though. :-(

So long as earn/burn options remained at least as lucrative as they are now, and lounge access/priority services for status didn't suffer, sure. But I think any plan that involves Jetstar being the main tie-in will destroy the FF program and leave them in a worse position in Australia. Then again, maybe Australia isn't the market they're after anymore

Sorry for going off topic.

 

[moa999]

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[Also OT] Given QF FF has no credit card partners in SIN (unlike BA), they obviously aren't chasing the SIN market to fly QF and JQ

 

[Foreigner]

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I'm sure there'll be numerous reports about Qatar joining OW. Here's one from the Gulf region...

Gulf Times ? Qatar?s top-selling English daily newspaper - Qatar Airways to join oneworld global alliance

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Qatar to join OneWorld (official announcement)

It's official, Qatar (QR) are set to join OneWorld.

BA is sponsoring... no surprise there, in response to QF and EK tie up no doubt.

News - oneworld

It is entirely likely that many WPs will not be travelling QFi for much longer considering recent developments. Apparently we're the reason QF fly...

 

[casanovawa]

Re: [Confirmed] Qatar May be Invited to Join One World

Can't do a local TA as the Oz fare would need to be paid.

Either ticket in KRT (Sudan) or Canada to get that price.

FT has a very thorough thread on it and the pitfalls of Khartoum and Sudanese visa's:

AONE4 from Khartoum

So looking at that page on FT and in June 2011 Pandaperth quotes an AONE3 as costing 17800 SDG and I go to XE.com and the exchange rate of US$ to SDG is 4.4 and so an AONE3 would cost US$4045??? Is that correct???

Or have these AONEx and DONEx prices changed since then???

 

[ozmille]

Re: [Confirmed] Qatar May be Invited to Join One World

So looking at that page on FT and in June 2011 Pandaperth quotes an AONE3 as costing 17800 SDG and I go to XE.com and the exchange rate of US$ to SDG is 4.4 and so an AONE3 would cost US$4045??? Is that correct???

Or have these AONEx and DONEx prices changed since then???

Nope still pretty cheap if you can bear the hassle of going through KRT;

07 LONE3 5900
08 LGLOB26 5900
09 LONE4 6800
10 LGLOB29 6800
11 LONE5 7900
12 LGLOB34 7900
13 LONE6 9400
14 LGLOB39 9400
15 DONE3 12700
16 DONE4 14700
17 DGLOB34 14700
18 DONE5 17300
19 AONE3 17800
20 DONE6 19600
21 AONE4 20400
22 AGLOB34 20400
23 AONE5 23900
24 AONE6 26500


Serfty, correct, that is what I meant with local

 

[beardoc]

Re: [Confirmed] Qatar May be Invited to Join One World

that is an amazing DONE fare :shock: How do you go about having these issued? Local TA?

OneWorld Booking Tool.

 

[serfty]

OneWorld Booking Tool.

If it works!

Check the thread I linked to; the tool is extremely problematic when it comes to completing ex KRT bookings.


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