QF-EK broken promises

[Aussie_flyer]

It's interesting having to please explain such basics. Even a senator elect the other night not seeming to know what Haram means. Perhaps Google can help them.

I suppose when you're relying on people like the senator elect you speak of for information, then it's understandable.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Question for you medhead - is champagne Halal?

Alcohol is not Halal

 

[medhead]

Question for you medhead - is champagne Halal?

It is for me...

 

[medhead]

to get back on topic, I agree that the promise of the alliance seems to be broken but I can't think of any specific broken promises.
Obviously, the examples put up are open to debate.

 

[greenfish]

Certainly great that you've had that experience. It has not been the same as mine. I am aware that a lot of westerns work at EY, EK and QR (I have worked in the airline industry my entire life), however I've found that on the flights I generally take (Central/North Africa), the crews tend to be middle eastern (Lebanese in particular).

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Which airlines would you recommend in Central / North Africa? I've always been impressed by how multinational the crews are on EK flights from NZ/Oz to Europe....

 

[katiebell]

Ever eat vegemite? Ever had a piece of fruit?

Do you actually know what Halal means?

yes I do: it is not haram. Most of us also eat food that would be considered Kosher every day and food that is considered vegetarian, vegan gluten-free etc etc but do not talk about not eating vegetarian etc when we eat a salad. By common usage halal is typically to mean meat from animals slaughtered in what many consider to be a cruel way. I choose not to do so and this is what i mean by not eating halal and what restaurants mean when they say that the food is halal (along with no pork, alcohol etc).

All this is OT: the thread is about what AJ promised in the tie up i.e to take the best of QF or EK whatever that was, and make that available to pax flying on QF/QF replacement (QF on EK) to UK & Europe. Whilst some things are a gain for some they are definite losses for others (eg loss of BA connections via LHR, flights via DXB, no flights via SIN). Other things are definite losses (e.g. no QF To FRA, no premium Y from most Australian ports).

 

[Aussie_flyer]

yes I do: it is not haram. Most of us also eat food that would be considered Kosher every day and food that is considered vegetarian, vegan gluten-free etc etc but do not talk about not eating vegetarian etc when we eat a salad. By common usage halal is typically to mean meat from animals slaughtered in what many consider to be a cruel way. I choose not to do so and this is what i mean by not eating halal and what restaurants mean when they say that the food is halal (along with no pork, alcohol etc).

All this is OT: the thread is about what AJ promised in the tie up i.e to take the best of QF or EK whatever that was, and make that available to pax flying on QF/QF replacement (QF on EK) to UK & Europe. Whilst some things are a gain for some they are definite losses for others (eg loss of BA connections via LHR, flights via DXB, no flights via SIN). Other things are definite losses (e.g. no QF To FRA, no premium Y from most Australian ports).

Sorry katiebell, that is not what Halal means, Halal means it is permissable for a muslim to eat. You are using it in the incorrect way.

I don't see how it is OT when it was you yourself who made a list of broken promises to start the thread off, one of them was your horror at the lack of pork on QF1/2/9/10 (other QF flights are free to serve pork).

 

[N860CR]

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Which airlines would you recommend in Central / North Africa? I've always been impressed by how multinational the crews are on EK flights from NZ/Oz to Europe....

SAA has been meeting most of my needs of late. Either via PER with VA or using the QF JNB flight.

 

[katiebell]

to get back on topic, I agree that the promise of the alliance seems to be broken but I can't think of any specific broken promises.
Obviously, the examples put up are open to debate.

The promise: to give QF pax the better of the options from QF & EK. This was in the Qantas inflight mag in March 2013 on p20 with AJs name etc underneath: the month before the tie up started. The rot started immediately with the massive cut in checked baggage allowance and loss of premium Y for most Australian ports.

 

[mannej]

things are definite losses (e.g. no QF To FRA, no premium Y from most Australian ports).

The only port to have lost Y+ going to the EU would be BNE would it not? PER and ADL never had it in the first place, MEL and SYD retain it?

 

[katiebell]

Sorry katiebell, that is not what Halal means, Halal means it is permissable for a muslim to eat. You are using it in the incorrect way.

I don't see how it is OT when it was you yourself who made a list of broken promises to start the thread off, one of them was your horror at the lack of pork on QF1/2/9/10 (other QF flights are free to serve pork).

My definition came from a good muslim friend who is quite religious. The OT is the long debate about what is halal: the OP was what QF has stopped as a result of the tie up

 

[marki]

yes I do: it is not haram. Most of us also eat food that would be considered Kosher every day and food that is considered vegetarian, vegan gluten-free etc etc but do not talk about not eating vegetarian etc when we eat a salad. By common usage halal is typically to mean meat from animals slaughtered in what many consider to be a cruel way. I choose not to do so and this is what i mean by not eating halal and what restaurants mean when they say that the food is halal (along with no pork, alcohol etc).

All this is OT: the thread is about what AJ promised in the tie up i.e to take the best of QF or EK whatever that was, and make that available to pax flying on QF/QF replacement (QF on EK) to UK & Europe. Whilst some things are a gain for some they are definite losses for others (eg loss of BA connections via LHR, flights via DXB, no flights via SIN). Other things are definite losses (e.g. no QF To FRA, no premium Y from most Australian ports).

I still do wonder considerably about Berlin Brandenburg if it will ever completed ? Will it back fill Frankfurt as a possible new destination for iQF

 

[juddles]

This may be off-topic, as it reveals an improvement, but thanks to this tie-up I have enjoyed doing my BNE-AKL run a few times now on the top deck of an EK A380, which is fun, rather than a "J" seat in an old QF 737.

So, did prior to this tie-up QF have a 747 running this route? Or is somehow the change for me from an efectively domestic grade J seat in a 737 to an international J A380 experience a broken promise?

 

[katiebell]

15 no priority boarding in DXB: the flounge policy is 'we board you last because we want you to enjoy the flounge'. Doesn't matter that all the luggage bins might be full if boarding last (& I did try from the Y boarding gate: no PB there).
Another point where the promise to offer the better option did not occur

 

[trippin_the_rift]

15 no priority boarding in DXB: the flounge policy is 'we board you last because we want you to enjoy the flounge'. Doesn't matter that all the luggage bins might be full if boarding last (& I did try from the Y boarding gate: no PB there).
Another point where the promise to offer the better option did not occur

Why don't you fly another airline? Clearly EK and QF can't meet your requirements.

I've flown a bunch of new airlines since reaching LTG and I can assure you the difference between status and non-status is minimal. If you're in biz or first class - the difference is almost all perception.

You clearly want it to be 1999 again, and as this won't happen - you need to take action and find a new solution.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Why don't you fly another airline? Clearly EK and QF can't meet your requirements.

I've flown a bunch of new airlines since reaching LTG and I can assure you the difference between status and non-status is minimal. If you're in biz or first class - the difference is almost all perception.

You clearly want it to be 1999 again, and as this won't happen - you need to take action and find a new solution.

I was just going to make the same point.

No one is forcing anyone to fly QF-EK. There are dozens of other airlines and options to fly to just about anywhere. Many are cheaper and may offer better service, facilities and amenities. But many people are tied to status and status chasing.

If you need to status to access the QF F lounge because the QF J lounge isn't up to par - fly an airline that provides a decent J lounge to start!

 

[TheRealTMA]

Dad's health is important.

QF definitely didn't make the right choice but neither of us is going to change their opinion. SYD-SIN-ATH is ~13 miles more than SYD-DXB-ATH. Both TG and SQ have stopped flying to ATH. That leaves EK, EY and QR. Poor choices all 3 of them but need to consider cost and flight time.

It seems many here have specific politics or axes to grind rather than direct EK/QF alliance experience.

We've now done some 30 flights on EK/QF alliance on EK metal. The use of A380 out of Australia (and many other destinations) plus one stop to DXB then anywhere else in the world is a definite winner. (Why anyone would chose an old QF 737 etc Aus-AKL instead of an A380 is beyond me.)

Generally quicker flight times with some 23hrs Australia to Europe and 28 hrs to LOTFAP. DXB is far preferred transit to LHR or AMS for example. One airline, easy transits, excellent lounges, no luggage hassles all add up to EK/QF being a good choice for you and your father IMHO. We've been very happy with most EK flights, the odd less enthusiastic crew but nothing worse than the old QF or BA flights, and generally good multinational cabin crews with good attitudes.

You don't have to eat bacon for breakfast every day (actually EK's veal bacon is quite nice). The worst bacon, eggs, toast and breakfast we've ever had was QF F out of LHR. Simply inedible.

 

[katiebell]

I was just going to make the same point.

No one is forcing anyone to fly QF-EK. There are dozens of other airlines and options to fly to just about anywhere. Many are cheaper and may offer better service, facilities and amenities. But many people are tied to status and status chasing.

If you need to status to access the QF F lounge because the QF J lounge isn't up to par - fly an airline that provides a decent J lounge to start!

You are OT: the topic is what was promised (the better of the EK & QF options) when flying QF and not delivered, not my flying preferences.

 

[Conrad_S]

You are OT: the topic is what was promised (the better of the EK & QF options) when flying QF and not delivered, not my flying preferences.

And the promise bit is what I don't get. It's a very emotional and rigid view of business. Maybe it shows the attachment to Qantas beyond that of a typical widget business. Maybe it shows a rigidity in perception that some individuals experience.
Personally I've leant towards judging a business on their delivery of the contracted service made at purchase. For me both Qantas and Emirates seem to have generally good at that.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

You are OT: the topic is what was promised (the better of the EK & QF options) when flying QF and not delivered, not my flying preferences.

Well that's the thing.... I'm not sure I see the 'promises' the same way you do - but then I don't have skin in the [status] game. Of your original list of 13 broken promises, there might be one or two of substance. But I'm not sure those are directly linked to the QF-EK tie. They more likely have their origins in general cost cutting that we have seen across all airline and all alliances, especially in response to previous sky-rocketing cost of fuel.