QF-EK broken promises

[Aussie_flyer]

I don't know the back stories just posting the info for people to draw their own conclusions.

By the way, the "ok to travel......." I agree, but not all countries are created equal when it comes to rights and rule of law. This local being one of the lessor when it comes to rights.

I bet you can find dozens of horror stories at any Asian transit point too!

Trying to make the trip as short as possible for dad.

So you would throw away all your values to save a few minutes? Point proven that QF EK is the superior option and QF made the right choice.

One of the reasons I won't fly EK is their safety attitude: just read the ATSB report on the tail strike at MEL if you don't think there is a problem. And the pilots were sacked before they got home so who wil report a problem if that is the airlines attitude?

Check out SQ, TG etc they all have had incidents that may be considered dubious. EK seem to be managing ok with a fleet of hundreds of widebodies and nobody killed yet afaik

For the record I do not eat pork and I do not eat halal: both for personal reasons. As Qantas promotes itself as the Spirit of Australia it is not unreasonable to expect a traditional Aussie cooked breakfast (i.e bacon, eggs etc as one of the options). To me the removal of these dishes from all flights does not meet AJ's promise of giving us the best of options in eveything on the flights via DXB. Out of interest, does EK have a dish 'inspired by Qantas' on its routes to/from Aus? i.e. one to match the QF 'mezze inspired by Emirates'?

Yes they absolutely do. Chicken schnitzel sandwich is one ive personally seen on the menu

 

[JohnK]

So you would throw away all your values to save a few minutes? Point proven that QF EK is the superior option and QF made the right choice.

Dad's health is important.

QF definitely didn't make the right choice but neither of us is going to change their opinion. SYD-SIN-ATH is ~13 miles more than SYD-DXB-ATH. Both TG and SQ have stopped flying to ATH. That leaves EK, EY and QR. Poor choices all 3 of them but need to consider cost and flight time.

 

[amaroo]

Personally I'd take the mezze plate!

+ 1 very tasty.

If Bacon is your go I'd recommend BA - their bacon roll w/brown sauce is delicious.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Dad's health is important.

QF definitely didn't make the right choice but neither of us is going to change their opinion. SYD-SIN-ATH is ~13 miles more than SYD-DXB-ATH. Both TG and SQ have stopped flying to ATH. That leaves EK, EY and QR. Poor choices all 3 of them but need to consider cost and flight time.

So without the QF EK alliance you would be worse off.

 

[marki]

So without the QF EK alliance you would be worse off.

Not sure you understood the neither agree part.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Not sure you understood the neither agree part.

JohnK has admitted that QF/EK is the most efficient option for him and his dad. He will be using them from what I can see.

 

[medhead]

VA don't fly international out of ADL anymore and JQ is never an option.

Not even to DPS? JQ can be an option, if you want to go to DPS. ;0

For the record I do not eat pork and I do not eat halal: both for personal reasons. As Qantas promotes itself as the Spirit of Australia it is not unreasonable to expect a traditional Aussie cooked breakfast (i.e bacon, eggs etc as one of the options). To me the removal of these dishes from all flights does not meet AJ's promise of giving us the best of options in eveything on the flights via DXB. Out of interest, does EK have a dish 'inspired by Qantas' on its routes to/from Aus? i.e. one to match the QF 'mezze inspired by Emirates'?

You don't eat pork, but you expect breakfast with cured pork? It what way does it matter if you are not going to select that option anyway?

BTW you most definitely do eat Halal food every single day.

 

[marki]

Not even to DPS? JQ can be an option, if you want to go to DPS. ;0



You don't eat pork, but you expect breakfast with cured pork? It what way does it matter if you are not going to select that option anyway?

BTW you most definitely do eat Halal food every single day.

Enlighten those around how we eat Halal every day interesting sound bite coming

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Enlighten those around how we eat Halal every day interesting sound bite coming

Ever eat vegemite? Ever had a piece of fruit?

Do you actually know what Halal means?

 

[Conrad_S]

I always enjoy my Vegemite on toast for brekky. In fact pretty much all foods bar the obvious candidates are probably able to be halal cert.

 

[N860CR]

I think that way beyond what Katy was referring to. Heterosexuals will be arrested for inappropriate cuddling in public or contact. Don't be sucked in that this is a kind benevolent race.

Just to add to this, the worst ever service experiences I've had onboard were in business with EK, EY and RJ and it all stemmed from obvious homophobic attitudes from the middle eastern crew. Nobody was "screwing", nor even cuddling or public contact, however the attitude of the staff made for very unpleasant flights (and even a real fear of aggression in AMM).

While yes, there are still major issues for homosexuals in Singapore, HK, China etc, I can never say that I've come across any form of discrimination from staff on SQ, CX etc. The staff have a much better work ethic and simply do what they're paid to do without prejudice.

While I have no issues with traveling through the Middle East, I will avoid their airlines wherever possible as I feel the service paid for is rarely delivered.

 

[dajop]

Dad's health is important.

QF definitely didn't make the right choice but neither of us is going to change their opinion. SYD-SIN-ATH is ~13 miles more than SYD-DXB-ATH. Both TG and SQ have stopped flying to ATH. That leaves EK, EY and QR. Poor choices all 3 of them but need to consider cost and flight time.

Until this month (who knows what's going to happen now), I'd suggest SQ could have been still a viable alternative to EK, they route ATH pax via IST and total travel time from SYD is 25hrs vs 24hrs on EK but an extra stop. OK, it is an extra hour, but the advantage, perhaps depending on point of view, is the longest leg is only 11 hrs (SIN-IST) vs 14.5 hrs (SYD-DXB).

 

[blackcat20]

Enlighten those around how we eat Halal every day interesting sound bite coming

There are many foods in your local supermarket that are certified as halal, so you're probably eating them, whether you know it or not.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Just to add to this, the worst ever service experiences I've had onboard were in business with EK, EY and RJ and it all stemmed from obvious homophobic attitudes from the middle eastern crew. Nobody was "screwing", nor even cuddling or public contact, however the attitude of the staff made for very unpleasant flights (and even a real fear of aggression in AMM).

While yes, there are still major issues for homosexuals in Singapore, HK, China etc, I can never say that I've come across any form of discrimination from staff on SQ, CX etc. The staff have a much better work ethic and simply do what they're paid to do without prejudice.

While I have no issues with traveling through the Middle East, I will avoid their airlines wherever possible as I feel the service paid for is rarely delivered.

Half the crew on the big 3 are gay, I am gay, I fly all three airlines and never in my life have I ever experienced anything even remotely like what you have described. Ever.

edited to add: very few of the crew are middle eastern anyway (on EK/QR/EY, doesn't apply to RJ)

 

[juddles]

This thread is amazing - it turned into a scrum that I actually enjoy - hearing everyone's opinions, all of which I value.

I love bacon. Always have. But I have also holidayed in places where it was forbidden and "beef bacon", although different, was really fun and I enjoyed the difference.

The world is a complex place. People trying to demand everything that is normal in their home countries are forgoing the joy of exotic travel. Although I definitely do not "agree" with some aspects of other's cultures, I certainly respect them.

I am not "racist" - I detest what I perceive as "bad things" no matter where they come from - and in my experience you suffer bad things from every race, creed, and colour. I do not like that circumstances exist where some lunatic hires a truck and slaughters many people. But I also do not like that it is a very "Aussie" thing for many scum to sit outside a bar after midnight and pick fights. That does NOT come from Islam.

I am not an aviation expert, but I see the QF/EK current marriage as sound. Doesn't please everyone, I know that. But I do perceive ( in my own restricted and non-professional knowledge) that Qantas is healthier today than it was a few years ago. I applaud management fro keeping viable an Australian company in an international market where we should have been wiped.

 

[marki]

Ever eat vegemite? Ever had a piece of fruit?

Do you actually know what Halal means?

Please enlighten ?

 

[medhead]

Ever eat vegemite? Ever had a piece of fruit?

Do you actually know what Halal means?

It's interesting having to please explain such basics. Even a senator elect the other night not seeming to know what Haram means. Perhaps Google can help them.

I always enjoy my Vegemite on toast for brekky. In fact pretty much all foods bar the obvious candidates are probably able to be halal cert.

There are many foods in your local supermarket that are certified as halal, so you're probably eating them, whether you know it or not.

It's not just about certification. I don't necessarily agree with certification, but can see it's purpose as providing confidence for people that require it, that the food is allowed to be consumed. Putting certification aside, halal is all about the foods that are allowed to be eaten. Being allowed is conferred by the food not being prohibited, certification is not necessarily required to confer halal status. If you eat anything that is allowed to be eaten by a follower of islam then you are eating halal food even if it is not certified. That means any basic fruit or vegetable for a start, even water is halal.

Then moving more into religious interpretation, any food allowed to the people of the book is also allowed in certain circumstances - like visiting the other peoples lands. In the modern world this is not so much an issue. But the other people of the book are Christians and Jews. so in certain circumstances the food of Christians could be considered to be halal.

 

[JohnK]

So without the QF EK alliance you would be worse off.

That's not what I said. It's the best out of the poor options available.

 

[N860CR]

Half the crew on the big 3 are gay, I am gay, I fly all three airlines and never in my life have I ever experienced anything even remotely like what you have described. Ever.

edited to add: very few of the crew are middle eastern anyway (on EK/QR/EY, doesn't apply to RJ)

Certainly great that you've had that experience. It has not been the same as mine. I am aware that a lot of westerns work at EY, EK and QR (I have worked in the airline industry my entire life), however I've found that on the flights I generally take (Central/North Africa), the crews tend to be middle eastern (Lebanese in particular).

 

[juddles]

It's interesting having to please explain such basics. E...

Question for you medhead - is champagne Halal?