QF excludes ASAs in U from [some] bonus SC promos (Check your T&Cs)

[pauly7]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

Agreed..

Agreed. Calmer heads will prevail.

Still fun watching all the usual suspects over react, shrieking etc

 

[crum]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

My DSC offer from September 5 doesn't mention anything about ineligibility for U class fares, so it will be interesting to see IF I get another DSC in the future whether the U class fares will have been excised from it.

 

[kevrosmith]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

Can you imagine the light-bulb moment for the Qantas team when they realised this one?

Topic of Meeting: How to offer incentives to increase bookings (such as Double Status Credit offers) without over-populating our Status ranks too cheaply.

Light-bulb moment: Why don't we just exclude ASAs in U bucket from the DSC offer?

Reaction: Ding ding ding... winner, winner, chicken dinner. (I hope they gave the person who came up with this idea a bonus... it's a pretty clever idea - from QF's perspective, I mean of course)

 

[markis10]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

Can you imagine the light-bulb moment for the Qantas team when they realised this one?

Topic of Meeting: How to offer incentives to increase bookings (such as Double Status Credit offers) without over-populating our Status ranks too cheaply.

Light-bulb moment: Why don't we just exclude ASAs in U bucket from the DSC offer?

Reaction: Ding ding ding... winner, winner, chicken dinner. (I hope they gave the person who came up with this idea a bonus... it's a pretty clever idea - from QF's perspective, I mean of course)

It will be interesting to see if the trend continues, while U bucket ASAs are a worry in terms of being excluded, probably more so is the move to exclude the discount fares from such offers as well.

 

[Ansett]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

Things must be extremely crrok at QF

1) Reduction in on Board Meals for Premium cabins
2) Almost elimination of JASA
3) Very rare to find a cooked Breakfast on board
4) Reduction in Number of FA's on 737 non meal services.
5) Excluding certain fare types from promos.
5) Sale after sale after sale
6) No Scotch whisky in economy anymore on International
7) Reduced baggage allowances
8) A broken poorly constructed and executed website
9) Cant afford new aircraft (Unlike JQ)
10) Unable to fly economically to anywhere other than LA/UK/SIN/KL/MNL and even a lot of those are dicey.

IS IT TIME TO UTILISE OUR FREQUENT FLYER POINTS BEFORE QF GOES UNDER.

 

[Nizar]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

Can you imagine the light-bulb moment for the Qantas team when they realised this one?

Topic of Meeting: How to offer incentives to increase bookings (such as Double Status Credit offers) without over-populating our Status ranks too cheaply.

Light-bulb moment: Why don't we just exclude ASAs in U bucket from the DSC offer?

Reaction: Ding ding ding... winner, winner, chicken dinner. (I hope they gave the person who came up with this idea a bonus... it's a pretty clever idea - from QF's perspective, I mean of course)

Only a clever idea if the customers will just suck it up and continue to fly with QF, which is what will probably end up happening due to lack of viable alternatives.

 

[Deleted User]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

IS IT TIME TO UTILISE OUR FREQUENT FLYER POINTS BEFORE QF GOES UNDER.

Already done that, currently sitting on less than a 1k QFF balance with a stack of masa bookings already loaded in the pipeline with many thanks to red roo who had to assist with the bookings

 

[serfty]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

It will be interesting to see if the trend continues, while U bucket ASAs are a worry in terms of being excluded, probably more so is the move to exclude the discount fares from such offers as well.

This promo as offered to is a specific one to encourage the purchase of the more expensive "Flexi Fares'.

... Eligible flights are all flights with a QF flight number on your ticket booked in Flexi Saver fares or above (for Australian domestic flights) or Flex fares or above (for trans-Tasman flights as Flexi Saver fares are only available on Australian domestic flights). ...

It is somewhat logical they want to discourage the use of mASA's in such a promotional offer and it does not necessarily follow that this condition will be a feature of all 1½x / 2x offers going forward.

 

[markis10]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

This promo as offered to is a specific one to encourage the purchase of the more expensive "Flexi Fares'.It is somewhat logical they want to discourage the use of mASA's in such a promotional offer.

My point is will that be the norm rather than the exception, very much aware of what the promo was trying to achieve? Offering upsell incentives versus across the board rewards is I suspect the path we are being led down, especially now the capacity wars are in ceasefire mode.

 

[blackcat20]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

This promo as offered to is a specific one to encourage the purchase of the more expensive "Flexi Fares'.

Not too different to the HK offer I got which required the purchase of Flexi Fares. The SC:$ wasnt any better than any other flight.

 

[Deleted member]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

Things must be extremely crrok at QF

1) Reduction in on Board Meals for Premium cabins
2) Almost elimination of JASA
3) Very rare to find a cooked Breakfast on board
4) Reduction in Number of FA's on 737 non meal services.
5) Excluding certain fare types from promos.
5) Sale after sale after sale
6) No Scotch whisky in economy anymore on International
7) Reduced baggage allowances
8) A broken poorly constructed and executed website
9) Cant afford new aircraft (Unlike JQ)
10) Unable to fly economically to anywhere other than LA/UK/SIN/KL/MNL and even a lot of those are dicey.

IS IT TIME TO UTILISE OUR FREQUENT FLYER POINTS BEFORE QF GOES UNDER.

11) still no (real) champagne on Trans tasman in J


I did read somewhere years ago that one US airline saved itself serious money be removing an olive from the salad it provided ...or was this an urban myth?

 

[Deleted member]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

Only a clever idea if the customers will just suck it up and continue to fly with QF, which is what will probably end up happening due to lack of viable alternatives.

While QF remains a protected species (By Government) I believe that is accurate. Should the firm hand of true competetion be allowed to take over then I would suspect QF would either be swallowed by the likes of EK as they try to compete with cheaper larger US or european airlines.
I still think that a missed opportunity for QF and NZ to unite as a single entity will come back to bite one day.

 

[yohy?!]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

11) still no (real) champagne on Trans tasman in J


I did read somewhere years ago that one US airline saved itself serious money be removing an olive from the salad it provided ...or was this an urban myth?

How to cure airlines

 

[Jean Prouvaire]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

This particularly "enhancement" will increase the likelihood of me taking my business to other airlines.

I admit that I would not be hitting Platinum this year were it not for double status credits and judicious use of xASA seats. In particular, I have booked two return trips from Sydney to Perth in J (via Melbourne/Brisbane) which have each cost me 88,000 points and a shade off $600, gaining for 480 SCs each (including the DSC offer). These two trips will gain me a total of 960 SCs at a total cost of $1200 and 176,000 points. These, plus a selection of other flights will put me well over the 1200 SCs needed to retain WP this year.

Here's the thing though. I'm very content flying economy to Perth (or anywhere) and have done so plenty of times. The only reason I fly business to Perth is to earn the status credits. So my choice for each trip is to pay $400 return in Economy (the best Qantas fare at the time for the flights in question) or to pay $600 return PLUS the burn of 88,000 points, this burn wiping almost $900 in liabilities off the Qantas balance sheet (valuing each FF point at 1 cent).

So by offering double SCs in U class Qantas can effectively earn $1500 per trip from me. By NOT making this offer, the best they'll get from me is $400, assuming I even choose to fly Qantas on these trips. If I don't fly Qantas of Jetstar, they'll get $0 from me. The double SC for U class offer makes Qantas significantly more money. The only time it would lose them money is if I took up a seat on a flight which was so full in J that I displaced a full-fare paying customer who then didn't take another Qantas flight. But the MASA seats are obviously released in a limited fashion to minimise this risk.

In short, if gaining WP becomes so difficult to attain that it's just not worth the effort and expense, then obviously I won't bother. I'm much more likely to up my non-Qantas/Jetstar travel instead. Or not fly at all. (Not doing status runs means not flying at all.)

There are those who might say "Good riddance to you - you weren't a deserving WP anyway". But considering I effectively paid thousands of dollars (counting both the cash premium plus the value of the FF points) extra to gain this tier, and only cost Qantas marginally more in expenses (basically, the cost of some J class, and - arguably - lounge, meals), I would hope that Qantas's accountants wouldn't share that short-sighted view. But given the counterproductive consequence of this - and other - changes to the QFF programme, I fear I might be wrong.

edit: I forgot to add back the value of the QFF points I earn from the xASA flights. This changes the numbers somewhat, but not enough to affect my argument.

 

[markis10]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

The current bonus points offer for BKK over Xmas also excludes U ASAs I suspect its a given for any promo from now on.

 

[ketsuzei]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

Just received a "Book now and enjoy 50% more Status credits on Qantas" offer, and can't see anything excluding ASAs in U bucket (or others).

Eligible flights are all flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number on your ticket where Status credits are normally earned.*

* Status credits are earned in accordance with the Qantas Frequent Flyer Terms and Conditions. See the Airline Earning Table. Status credits may not be earned on some fare types and booking classes including Classic Award flights and Qantas codeshare flights operated by Jetstar, Jetstar Asia, Valuair and Jetstar Japan other than in Economy booking classes Y, B, H, K, and L (when booked as part of a oneworld® fare). Qantas Segments booked in X, U, Z or P classes are eligible to earn Status credits only when booked as part of a Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Award. For details, visit qantas.com. Note: For a limited time only, Economy (X) Classic Award bookings with a QF flight number that are booked between 30 October 2013 and 31 December 2013 will attract Status credits at the Discount Economy rate. To be eligible for the Status credits, you must travel on all Classic Award bookings made during the offer period by 31 December 2014. The Status credits earned through this promotion will count towards your tier membership, but not count towards the four flight rule for reaching or keeping your membership status. Status credits may take up to 6 weeks to appear in your account from the date of flying. The offer is valid when you register and make a new eligible booking and travel within the promotional period stated in this email. You must register for this offer by clicking on the registration link in the body of this email to be eligible for this offer. This offer applies to travel taken by the recipient of this email only (regardless of other passengers in the same booking), and is not transferable. Each passenger must register separately to be eligible for the offer. Bonus Status credits may take up to 6 weeks after completion of your round-trip travel to be credited to your Qantas Frequent Flyer account. Flights can be booked viaqantas.com, a travel agent or Qantas Direct. Fees may apply. Your Qantas Frequent Flyer membership number must be recorded at the time of registration and booking to earn the bonus Status credits. This offer cannot be used in conjunction with any other offer by Qantas. Only one Status credit offer can be used per each individual qualifying segment of your itinerary. If you qualify for multiple Status credits offers, the offer first-registered for will be applied to each individual qualifying segment. If you change or cancel your initial qualifying booking and travel is completed outside promotional period, this bonus offer will not apply.

 

[Dmac6345]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

Ok, so I received an email from QFF.
It is offering 50% more "Qantas Points". It doesn't say anything about SC's. Can someone confirm or deny if it includes SC's or just points.
Cheers.

 

[Newk]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

Ok, so I received an email from QFF.
It is offering 50% more "Qantas Points". It doesn't say anything about SC's. Can someone confirm or deny if it includes SC's or just points.
Cheers.

mine certainly says status credits

 

[zainman]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

Just received a "Book now and enjoy 50% more Status credits on Qantas" offer, and can't see anything excluding ASAs in U bucket (or others).

Eligible flights are all flights with a Qantas (QF) flight number on your ticket where Status credits are normally earned.*

* Status credits are earned in accordance with the Qantas Frequent Flyer Terms and Conditions. See the Airline Earning Table. Status credits may not be earned on some fare types and booking classes including Classic Award flights and Qantas codeshare flights operated by Jetstar, Jetstar Asia, Valuair and Jetstar Japan other than in Economy booking classes Y, B, H, K, and L (when booked as part of a oneworld® fare). Qantas Segments booked in X, U, Z or P classes are eligible to earn Status credits only when booked as part of a Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Award. For details, visit qantas.com. Note: For a limited time only, Economy (X) Classic Award bookings with a QF flight number that are booked between 30 October 2013 and 31 December 2013 will attract Status credits at the Discount Economy rate. To be eligible for the Status credits, you must travel on all Classic Award bookings made during the offer period by 31 December 2014. The Status credits earned through this promotion will count towards your tier membership, but not count towards the four flight rule for reaching or keeping your membership status. Status credits may take up to 6 weeks to appear in your account from the date of flying. The offer is valid when you register and make a new eligible booking and travel within the promotional period stated in this email. You must register for this offer by clicking on the registration link in the body of this email to be eligible for this offer. This offer applies to travel taken by the recipient of this email only (regardless of other passengers in the same booking), and is not transferable. Each passenger must register separately to be eligible for the offer. Bonus Status credits may take up to 6 weeks after completion of your round-trip travel to be credited to your Qantas Frequent Flyer account. Flights can be booked viaqantas.com, a travel agent or Qantas Direct. Fees may apply. Your Qantas Frequent Flyer membership number must be recorded at the time of registration and booking to earn the bonus Status credits. This offer cannot be used in conjunction with any other offer by Qantas. Only one Status credit offer can be used per each individual qualifying segment of your itinerary. If you qualify for multiple Status credits offers, the offer first-registered for will be applied to each individual qualifying segment. If you change or cancel your initial qualifying booking and travel is completed outside promotional period, this bonus offer will not apply.

just received the same email. Now to cancel current ASA's and re-book (hopefully can find availability). Does anyone know if I cancel an ASA, will the availability go back to the 'pool' and become available instantly to rebook (or for anyone else to book if I decide not to book)?

 

[nonpop]

Re: Qantas excludes ASAs in U bucket from bonus SC promos (effective for new promos??

just received the same email. Now to cancel current ASA's and re-book (hopefully can find availability). Does anyone know if I cancel an ASA, will the availability go back to the 'pool' and become available instantly to rebook (or for anyone else to book if I decide not to book)?

Don't risk it. The mASA is valuable enough IMHO