QF32 388 - emergency landing in SIN after Engine failure

[Flying Fox]

Steve Creedy has up-ed the ante to $100M+ loss.

$70M for insurance

$26M - $60M for business loss.

Cost of Qantas A380 engine drama put at $100m | The Australian

Clearly insurance companies & lawyers will be getting involved.

 

[NM]

Why four? One is dead. Another needs a workshop rebuild after having the foam put through it. As far as I know the other two are fine...

Just an assumption that the other two are also likely to be among the oldest ones in the fleet, and it seems that Qantas is not wanting to operate the older engines given they still have C on the ground at LAX and they chose only to return E and F to service at this time. But that is just speculation and an assumption and not based on any published facts.

So if not completely new, I expect there is going to be some significant costs associated with bringing them to a state where Qantas is confident they are operationally ready.

Either way, its certainly going to be expensive and not returning to service in a hurry .

 

[NYCguy]

Steve Creedy has up-ed the ante to $100M+ loss.

$70M for insurance

$26M - $60M for business loss.

Cost of Qantas A380 engine drama put at $100m | The Australian

Clearly insurance companies & lawyers will be getting involved.

Oops, there goes the no-claim bonus!

I imagine that RR will get the cheque-book out without too much prompting.

 

[Flying Fox]

I imagine that RR will get the cheque-book out without too much prompting.

I agree. Probably saves them and QF $1M each on lawyer fees.

 

[Danger]

. . . Qantas is not wanting to operate the older engines given they still have C on the ground at LAX and they chose only to return E and F to service at this time.

Minor point but I'm almost 100% certain I saw D on the ground at LAX on Thursday, not C.

 

[oz_mark]

Minor point but I'm almost 100% certain I saw D on the ground at LAX on Thursday, not C.

I'm pretty sure C is in SYD, and was the A380 at the 90th birthday bash there.

 

[NM]

Minor point but I'm almost 100% certain I saw D on the ground at LAX on Thursday, not C.

Quite probably. But same goes for both C and D, being on the ground in SYD and LAX. Not sure when b was due to finish maintenance at FRA, but certainly seems QF is not planning to rush it back into service at this time. So my assumption is that they are waiting for RR to do something - may be to provide some form of assurance, new engines, mods etc. We can only speculate at this stage.

 

[markis10]

Airbus have stated the three birds for QF will be delivered this month so that will take some of the pressure off.

 

[NM]

Airbus have stated the three birds for QF will be delivered this month so that will take some of the pressure off.

so that is three now, not the two previously expected?

 

[jb747]

so that is three now, not the two previously expected?

That always seems to be a constantly moving target, but before all of this happened, we were expecting 1 in November, 2 December, and 1 February.

 

[markis10]

so that is three now, not the two previously expected?

Yes, MSNs 47, 50 and 55 are all this month. 47 was meant to be mid Nov.

 

[Flying Fox]

Yes, MSNs 47, 50 and 55 are all this month. 47 was meant to be mid Nov.

Wow, 3 in Dec. How amazing and fortunate for QF (although I'm sure that they had planned to have 9 flying around prior to the QF032 accident).

 

[NM]

That always seems to be a constantly moving target, but before all of this happened, we were expecting 1 in November, 2 December, and 1 February.

Yes, MSNs 47, 50 and 55 are all this month. 47 was meant to be mid Nov.

So do we know whether the Feb delivery is still on track? Twill be good to see them coming on-line shortly.

 

[oz_mark]

Am I correct in thinking that 47 and 50 are the two that have been in storage for a year or so?

 

[markis10]

So do we know whether the Feb delivery is still on track? Twill be good to see them coming on-line shortly.

Believe its now march with Bert:

All sizes | Quantas A380 under construction | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Then nothing to Q3 for the last two F birds.

 

[oz_mark]

Update from the ATSB.

Manufacturing problem potential factor in QF32 engine failure
The ATSB has issued a safety recommendation about potential engine problems in some Airbus A380 aircraft.

The safety recommendation identifies a potential manufacturing defect with an oil tube connection to the high-pressure (HP)/intermediate-pressure (IP) bearing structure of the Trent 900 engine installed in some A380 aircraft.

The problem relates to the potential for misaligned oil pipe counter-boring, which could lead to fatigue cracking, oil leakage and potential engine failure from an oil fire within the HP/IP bearing buffer space.

In response to the recommendation Rolls Royce, affected airlines and safety regulators are taking action to ensure the continued safe operation of A380 aircraft. The action involves the close inspection of affected engines and the removal from service of any engine which displays the suspected counter-boring problem.

News:


(See Investigation: AO-2010-089 - Inflight engine failure - Qantas, Airbus A380, VH-OQA, overhead Batam Island, Indonesia, 4 November 2010 for the full recommendation)

 

[ethernet]

QF Management : Its a boring bit of news (ducks).

You would think the loss of hp oil would also trip a sensor / alarm.
Thats good work, and understandable, and unfortunate for the lathe operator who worked with something not true. One misaligned lathe could also do a lot more duff parts - so they will or should look at other bores. So who did the micrometer work - eh?

But it does not answer the oil vent pipe, also suspected early, and other matters. For fatigue to set in early (these engines not that old) indicates some wrong modeling. Still good news for RR - replacing a part is cheaper than a flawed design (subject to metal tests coming back).

 

[oz_mark]

Believe its now march with Bert:

Then nothing to Q3 for the last two F birds.

I believe Bert is being painted at the moment.

 

[futaris]

FlyerTalk Forums - View Single Post - QF 32 - Engine Exploded? (General discussion of the events)
There is a fascinating interview with David Evans, the senior check captain, on this page. There are also some photographs of the coughpit, you can see the very full list of error messages.

Link

Good read...

 

[jb747]

What is interesting, and predictable I guess, is the way in which the mainstream media have taken Dave's interview and quite distorted it for their daily dose of madness.