QF32 388 - emergency landing in SIN after Engine failure

[Flying Fox]

I think QF would also push for a repair in order to keep their record of never losing an aircraft unblemished.

 

[jb747]

I think QF would also push for a repair in order to keep their record of never losing an aircraft unblemished.

Every time I hear this sort of comment, I just want to cringe. Let's see, I just said that replacement would take forever, and cost vastly more than $150million. But, we always want to drag out this little myth....

 

[samh004]

Every time I hear this sort of comment, I just want to cringe. Let's see, I just said that replacement would take forever, and cost vastly more than $150million. But, we always want to drag out this little myth....

On the other hand there’s the idea that if it did cost vastly more than $150 million, all parties might be happier to buy the stricken bird back, and sell a new one on… though you did say the next delivery might then be 2050

 

[Flying Fox]

Well I think that there are many factors involving the decision to replace or repair. I'm just saying that the marketing value of no hull losses is yet another factor that may or may not be thrown into the mix when making the final decision.

 

[reductionist]

I'm just saying that the marketing value of no hull losses is yet another factor that may or may not be thrown into the mix when making the final decision.

The cynic in me would enjoy agreeing with you.

It's just that I don't really recall much noise about "no hull losses" coming out of the QF marketing/pr department.

They certainly don't boast about it in any advertising directed in my direction anyway.

 

[thewinchester]

Just a heads-up, ABC's Four Corners will have a detailed account of the QF32 incident as its story next Monday.

 

[Sprucegoose]

Well I think that there are many factors involving the decision to replace or repair. I'm just saying that the marketing value of no hull losses is yet another factor that may or may not be thrown into the mix when making the final decision.

Fox I believe you maybe right, but it's something we don't talk about.......

 

[Sprucegoose]

Just a heads-up, ABC's Four Corners will have a detailed account of the QF32 incident as its story next Monday.

Thnxs, may have a different tone to the 60 minutes piece.

How much would you wager they drag out the offshore maintenance issue in support of the brothers? Regardless of how irrelevant it is to the issue...

 

[Smackbum]

Thnxs, may have a different tone to the 60 minutes piece.

How much would you wager they drag out the offshore maintenance issue in support of the brothers? Regardless of how irrelevant it is to the issue...

I hope they do bring it up, as faults in the manufacturing and maintenance of this engine were the two primary causes of its failure. Outsourcing is fine, outsourcing without adequate governance is not.

 

[drron]

I hope they do bring it up, as faults in the manufacturing and maintenance of this engine were the two primary causes of its failure. Outsourcing is fine, outsourcing without adequate governance is not.

Hmmm.Glad you are confident you know the causes.The official investigation though is still ongoing-
News:

But an interesting concept you have-QF engineers would have more experience servicing the Trent900 engines than the engineers of the manufacturer.

 

[eightblack]

The cynic in me would enjoy agreeing with you.

It's just that I don't really recall much noise about "no hull losses" coming out of the QF marketing/pr department.

They certainly don't boast about it in any advertising directed in my direction anyway.

I think its one of those internal things - but something that QF would never acknowledge publicly.

Remember when QF1 decided to create the 19th hole at the end of the BKK runway back in 1999 (VH-OJH)? That 747-400 had over $100M worth of repairs (and according to many, should have technically been written off).

I was flying QF heavily back then (once a month on RTW F tickets) and I wrote and expressed my concerned to Qantas and received a call from their Head of Corporate Affairs. He said the decision to repair was actually not up to QF, but their insurers.

Which was QF PR spin at its best.

 

[markis10]

The 717 in DRW was another example in addition to the BKK golfer, I have never known an insurance company to pay more for a repair than a write off.

 

[Sprucegoose]

I hope they do bring it up, as faults in the manufacturing and maintenance of this engine were the two primary causes of its failure. Outsourcing is fine, outsourcing without adequate governance is not.

In simple terms, Qantas 'hires' the engines by the hour. How do you place adequate oversight over a specialist function? In any business for that matter. My GP doesn't second guess my Specialist.

I believe your statements are far fetched and are not yet able to be confirmed.

 

[Sprucegoose]

I think its one of those internal things - but something that QF would never acknowledge publicly.

Remember when QF1 decided to create the 19th hole at the end of the BKK runway back in 1999 (VH-OJH)? That 747-400 had over $100M worth of repairs (and according to many, should have technically been written off).

I was flying QF heavily back then (once a month on RTW F tickets) and I wrote and expressed my concerned to Qantas and received a call from their Head of Corporate Affairs. He said the decision to repair was actually not up to QF, but their insurers.

Which was QF PR spin at its best.

Yes, without further research I thought it was more than that?

That aircraft had reduced operational availability post repair? If I recall.

With a large account the repair replace decision would be negotiated and accounts adjusted if necessary.

 

[Moody]

In simple terms, Qantas 'hires' the engines by the hour. How do you place adequate oversight over a specialist function? In any business for that matter. My GP doesn't second guess my Specialist.

I believe your statements are far fetched and are not yet able to be confirmed.

Yep - it's a "Power by the Hour" arrangement. To make it simple for you it is like using taxis instead of your own chauffeur-driven car. Cheaper - definitely. Safer - the jury is still out on that one.

And faults in the manufacturing process have already been identified (and acknowledged) by the manufacturer. Is that your definition of "far fetched"?

 

[Sprucegoose]

Yep - it's a "Power by the Hour" arrangement. To make it simple for you it is like using taxis instead of your own chauffeur-driven car. Cheaper - definitely. Safer - the jury is still out on that one.

And faults in the manufacturing process have already been identified (and acknowledged) by the manufacturer. Is that your definition of "far fetched"?

Far fetched is the compound statement 'faults...manufacturing and maintenance....primary cause' without a final agreed report.

If I was having a stab, which I wouldn't at this point, I would have have reviewed the design
parameters and brief ??



Quite simply we cant speculate so definitively

 

[jb747]

That aircraft had reduced operational availability post repair? If I recall.

No, it didn't.

 

[Sprucegoose]

No, it didn't.

I am off memory here, notes are in SYD, but I recall turning back to Honkers (electrical) not long after it's repair......helluva long time ago now, before the Sydney Olympics.

Could that possibly be right JB?

 

[jb747]

Whilst I'm sure that your memory is correct, all of the aircraft would have had numerous returns, etc, for all sorts of reasons, over the course of their lives.

H has no operational restrictions on it that don't exist on all of the other 338s. There may well be inspection requirements for the engineers, but the tech log contained nothing unusual.

Actually it was straighter than some of the others.

 

[Sprucegoose]

Whilst I'm sure that your memory is correct, all of the aircraft would have had numerous returns, etc, for all sorts of reasons, over the course of their lives.

H has no operational restrictions on it that don't exist on all of the other 338s. There may well be inspection requirements for the engineers, but the tech log contained nothing unusual.

Actually it was straighter than some of the others.

It's a credit to the repair and commissioning teams involved. Good to hear. Thnxs