QFF Ideas & Suggestions

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I'm not with you on that one. Points cost money, and if you're buying the cheap fares on the LCC then all you should get is the seat. JQ has enough problems on the service and systems front without having to cut into profit centres further by paying for points.

The question asked was "How would you improve Qantas Frequent Flyer and how could the program encourage you to fly more with us?"

Getting some recognition from Jetstar (in both the JQ and 3K forms), in the form of SC's and points, would encourage me to use them more. At the moment, I choose DJ over JQ, when faced with that choice. To me, suggesting Jetstar give points answers the question asked.
 
Re-address the baggage issue. One piece at 32 kg for SG, PS & QC? Really?

Who's gonna pack that much weight?

2 Pieces at 16 kg each (or 1 at 32kg if you so desire) sounds like a better option to me.

Don't penalise us folk who like to take a light suitcase and a bit of sporting equip with us.

It's baggage for me too. I couldn't believe the changes left everyone except WP with one piece. This is a really serious issue for anyone who takes sporting equipment, it makes it almost a given that I would have to fly with another airline. Only one peice for gold is hard to believe.

Suggestion:

Any QFF with status get's an extra piece, even if there is no extra weight limit!
So Silver has weight limit of XX, then two peices with a combined weight of XX max.
Same for Gold etc.

Please consider this seriously, I've felt really frustrated as gold FF who enjoys travelling on Qantas that I'm going to have to change carriers.

*Edited for spelling.
 
What about say a flat 5 status credits for the JQ fares that don't currently earn?

I’d much rather a half of the discount economy SC’s, but then we’d end up with half SC’s which makes things tricky. Either way, I’d rather not have all flights just be worth 5SC’s, some system would make more sense.

Likewise for points, if points were to be considered. The minimums now are 1000, so for a few of the major zones, a flat rate of 500 would be fine. No need to give any more.

But I’d still much rather priority queues be expanded to more then just CL’s and lounge access perhaps be expanded to more than just WP’s. Assuming more lounges are on the cards. It would swing DJ based travel back to JQ and the QF-group when a QF airfare isn’t available.
 
But I’d still much rather priority queues be expanded to more then just CL’s and lounge access perhaps be expanded to more than just WP’s. Assuming more lounges are on the cards. It would swing DJ based travel back to JQ and the QF-group when a QF airfare isn’t available.
Indeed. Domestic JQ is unattractive compared to DJ without the benefits of status with that "other" airline, that just happens to own JQ.
 
Good morning Red Roo!

I am hoping you are not up at the silly hour that I am for no apparent reason...

Here are my deluded thoughts about the QFF/QF Club Scheme at the moment.

1) I would like to be able to gain the benefits of an increased status immediately especially when gaining a new status level abroad. I am planning a RTW trip in April 2011 and will make QF Gold after 2 or 3 (of 16) segments. While I am confident that I will be able to enjoy many of the benefits of Gold immediately (such as point bonuses etc), I think that by some sort of mutual oneworld agreement, lounges abroad will be aware of a new status level without requiring you to have your new card with you. I know some oneworld airlines print your status on your boarding pass, but some backup would be great, especially when avoiding some of the shocking terminals out there! I don't know how this will work, but just throwing it out there...

2) Silver and QF Club having their priority check-in counter access removed is quite disappointing while there will still be many airports without NGCI. This also seems to be a retrospective change to the benefits of the QF Club which I will definitely notice without, going into the new year.

3) I think the complementary invitation for the QF Club for QF Club Silver members should also be redeemable for access into the Domestic Business Lounge. Surely this would be a nice taster for many travellers to experience the enhanced product the Business Lounge offers.

4) I agree with the other people who have raised the one piece baggage issue. I don't think I need to say much else there...

5) I don't think you are the person to talk to about this, but Smirnoff Vodka (served in the QF Clubs and the Business Lounge) is aweful, I definitely recommend getting a new vodka supplier in the lounges! (The Grey Goose Vodka in the BA/QF LHR T3 Galleries Club Business lounge is delicious!)

Thanks for listening!!

Mitch
 
So many great ideas above.

One thing that needs to be addressed is that I can fly to Asia, Europe, North America (if I must) and in Australia often for much less cost on QF in both Y and J classes. It makes me wonder how much it is costing me to enjoy each and every new enhancement to QFF and if it's really worth it. Other airlines are looking for new business. Why is QF not?

Upgrade requests made 90 days in advance then to arrive at the airport and being told there is no record of my request despite showing the checkin agent a printed request. I am not into guessing games and surprises about upgrades when enough notice has been given to QF. Look after your customers or your customers will be some other airline's. I thought that would be simple.

I often fly around Asia and use CX. Much better than QF. Staff actually seem to appreciate customers who choose to fly with them. The little blue oval on my QFF card gives me instant upgrade over 80% of the time including on award tickets, yet QF won't.

Why does feedback to QF about problems take 10 – 14 days with little or no result? Shouldn't it be immediate? More emails, more waits, more time to think about who to fly with next time. The so called customer service at QF is the worst I've seen anywhere in any industry in the world. A current issue is taking four months to resolve with no result. But I'll keep chasing it.

Luggage allowance. I travel therefore I pack.

Have flown a low cost carrier in Europe three times in the last week and the service and professional and friendly attitude was so way ahead of anything I've experienced on QF in J or Y for some considerable time.

Those of us choosing QF to fly have many other choices of carrier. If QFF is even appearing to want to attract and keep frequent flyers due to diminished incentives to fly with them, why should I? I'm not even sure being connected to Oneworld has the benefits of *Alliance. Why limit myself? Over recent years I've flown Oneworld carriers and credited flight to my QFF account. I then fly the minimum QF flights to retain status for what's it's worth. Last QF flight was more than unpleasant. *Alliance carriers looking better. Much better earning and burning with one at least that I have joined. I've decided to use my accumulated points for a possible few future fights if I can get them and use my paid flights on *A. You've lost a customer.

Lastly if QFF is supposed to be a loyalty program it's about time it realised that loyalty is a two way street. QFF loyal to customers and loyal customers may be loyal to QFF. Having an Australian passport does not limit me to flying QF.
 
Postcode, I believe that unsuccessful upgrade requests get cleared at t-24. Ozbeachbabe has explained that before.

As for my suggestion, it would be nice for QP to get access to advance seat selection. I don't see the harm in doing so.
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As for my suggestion, it would be nice for QP to get access to advance seat selection. I don't see the harm in doing so.
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I'm ok with QP not getting access to advance seat selection (or if they do, not as good as PS). It gives QPNB something to work towards.

But I don't agree with diminishing other QP benefits. QP members are still valuable customers and are potential future status customers. I was!!
 
While we're on seat selection, I'd love the ability to see the seatmap BEFORE you buy the flight. That can influence me on which flight or even which airline to go with.

I don't understand why there needs to be T-80 restriction. Perhaps if the reason is understood, I'll agree to it.
 
But I don't agree with diminishing other QP benefits. QP members are still valuable customers and are potential future status customers. I was!!

+1

I joined QFF in 2003 (when I was 19), QP in 2006, made silver in 2008 and kept ramping up my flying until making WP earlier this year.

If it wasn't for little things like priority check in, etc. I probably wouldn't have flown as much with QF over the years and instead gone for cheaper options (because even though it's not really an issue now, budget was obviously an issue when I was younger).

Now the changes don't affect me these days, and even if I went cold turkey on business related travel I might be able to maintain Platinum on personal travel anyway - if not, Gold won't be a problem (I currently have 700 SCs worth of personal travel already booked or flown from October through December).

But having said that, I still wonder if there's people out there who were like me a few years back and who are now questioning their loyalty to QF.
 
While we're on seat selection, I'd love the ability to see the seatmap BEFORE you buy the flight. That can influence me on which flight or even which airline to go with.

ExpertFlyer

Yes, I have my favourite seats on board. Yes, I have been known to choose my flight based on my seat being available :)
 
Couple of ideas:

1) One off ability to move the anniversary date

2) Birthday and/or renewal gift (e.g. free upgrade voucher, 50% off redemption voucher)

3) JQ and 3K earning ability on the non Jet-Flex/Star Class fares. I know it's been mentioned before :) And you may want to exlude things like 1c fares....
 
While we're on seat selection, I'd love the ability to see the seatmap BEFORE you buy the flight. That can influence me on which flight or even which airline to go with.
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Yes nice one, like the AA system would be good.

But I still want seats blocked for FF's who purchase at last minute :) I like the fact I travel last minute and QF still look after me and I dont end up the back. It's great.
 
With JQ, why not just make all the fares earn SCs, much like public service travel?
 
With JQ, why not just make all the fares earn SCs, much like public service travel?

This.

+ International upgrades available from discount economy fares at Gold/Platinum level :)
 
I'm not with you on that one. Points cost money, and if you're buying the cheap fares on the LCC then all you should get is the seat. JQ has enough problems on the service and systems front without having to cut into profit centres further by paying for points.


Pull the other one. If you don't have an upgradeable ticket, then why should they offer you benefits above and beyond everyone else just so you can have a fun time and clear your points balance. Stop being so cheap and buy the upgradeable fare.

I think that some of your own ideas in your very long post were really good!.... but perhaps pull back a bit on criticizing and deriding other peoples thoughts.... - the question was clearly : How would you improve Qantas Frequent Flyer and how could the program encourage you to fly more with us?

Everyone posting here is answering those questions from a personal POV and this thread should stay on that topic in order to help Red Roo out, not calling people cheap and arguing that LCC business models should just be a seat... its kind of irrelevant.

I do agree with you on the QF website having more features, although its a lot better than all the others in Aus that's for sure.
 
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With JQ, why not just make all the fares earn SCs, much like public service travel?

I'd go for that too - if you still got full QFF miles/points for Flex and Starclass though. Still would prefer 0.5 points with the Saver fares though.... perhaps no minimum points guarantee....? mmmmm

BTW What are you doing here markis10? I thought you'd decided to come over and join the born-again virgins :p;):p (jokes)
 
Interesting thread, and no-one's really posted anything too outside the square yet. I think the reason for this is there is so much of the current "core" of the program that needs improving. My thoughts / suggestions (some already posted by others):

1. Ability to book online for all awards. If not able to book online, the "call centre fee" should be waived. It just reeks of points-grabbing by QF and frankly is an LCC image to what we are constantly told is a "premium" airline. The marketing is becoming less believeable by the minute.

2. Improvement in the confirmation process of upgrades. One should be able to waitlist at any stage for an upgrade (Dom and Int), and there should be better options than just finding out 5hrs before the flight. With the T-90day upgrade window, surely QF could give WPs or SGs )+/- PS) some priority notice of success? It will also encourage those on semi-restircted fares to book earlier (which means money to Qantas sooner). Some seats will obvuiously need to be held back for last minute upgrades etc, but there should be some slow release of UG seats.

3. QFF is basically becoming a glorifed "points" program akin to a Credit Card program, rahter than a "flyer" program. With so many people able to accrue massive numbers of points, you need to free up some award availability, and not at crazy Anyseat prices. I've noticed some improvement domestically recently, but International flights it's still just crazy trying to get any decent (Classic) FF booking.

4. Status FFers need be be more guaranteed the better seats in their booked class of travel. If I was WP and there was an empty seat on the flight, I'd expect I would have the empty seat next to me (and not some NB down in row 65). This seems hit and miss currently and needs improving.

5. Anytime access - it's been done to death. I still believe for those WPs who travel constantly, to be able to visit the lounge whilst awaiting a friend or relative to arrive from their flight, or to take granny there for her once a year trip, is important. If I was WP, I'd want to be able to show those that care for me the "rewards" for all the travelling I've been doing. I'd say it's fair for it to be QP access for anytime access, not J lounge.

6. Lounge product - needs improving in terms of food offering. As the snacks/meals onboard become so terrible (a packet of chips was what I received onboard after a 2hr delay meaning my 4pm left at 6pm and there was nothing decent in the QP. By the time I got to my destination, it was too late for dinner. Result: my food between lunch and bedtime was a packet of chips and some rock solide "brie" from the QP. I'm sorry, but not good enough. I';m sure it would have been dine if the flight had been on time, but for people who travel a lot, there's a high likelihood that eventually you'll suffer delays. There should have been something better to eat in the QP. When travelling a lot, the food is just the same in the QP time and time again. There's only so many times I can eat packet ham, the above cheese and the same soups on rotation. The BA Terraces lounge at LHR T5 is what you should be aiming for frankly.

7. Recognition on JQ - QF has replaced so many routes with JQ, there needs to be some return loyalty shown for staying with JQ (ie. part of the QF group). If there are no points (on most fares), no priority seating, no priority luggage, you're encouraging your QFFers to shop on price. Which might be fine if you think that your QFFers will shop only on price and JQ is always cheaper, but they clearly dont shop only on price(or they wouldnt have accrued status on QF for the most part) and might make a "point" of flying the competition due to lack of "return loyalty" shown to them by QF. Most will be inclined to try DJ/VA or AirNZ in NZ, and you'll lose certainly a % of them depending on their own most common routings. I'm sure OOL is a good example where quite a number have switched to DJ already.

8. Downtown checkin. Say initially for premium pax (WP/SG/F/J/Y+) a la HKG (except that's for everyone). This would be in lieu of complimentary transfers which other carriers offer. At least at SYD, MEL and BNE, and LHR would be another prime candidate. In SYD/BNE could be done in conjunction with Airtrain transfer / terminal(s) (and LHR/Paddington!). Adding to this would be the ability to checkin the bags early ie. flight leaves 2200 but back checkin could be all day so bags can be dumped and pax can have day at meetings/sightseeing before heading to airport (for shower/change in QP/J lounge).

9. As an idea, how about tiered (classic) redemptions. ie. WP get 15% discount of points required , SG 10%, PS 5% and NB 0%. Or whatever % discount you think is fair (25/15/5?) This shows some loyalty to those that fly, rather than those only accruing via credit cards etc.

10. Better incentives such as more regular "bonus points" eg. Special offers to certain destinatons eg. SYD-YUL 5000pts bonus if registered, for travel by Dec 31 type of thing. This would be another way to fill seats without excessive discounting. This could be targetted or open to all FFers of a certain level or above (PS or above)? Have a look at how IHG priority club does special points offers, or have a look at www.pointmaven.com to see what many other programs (both airline and hotel) are doing.

I'm sure i'll think of more but that's a long enough post for now. :shock:
 
This.

+ International upgrades available from discount economy fares at Gold/Platinum level :)

Definitely +1 on this. When traveling on the cheap, i won't necessarily go with QF if i know the fare will be non-upgradeable - I'll look at other airlines with more comfortable cattle class seats or service. If I could put in for a points upgrade I would definitely lean to QF.
 
Definitely the upgrading with points bit needs to be made better. When I was living in Europe you could request an upgrade on AF and you knew straight away if it was confirmed or not. I have tried to upgrade using points on QF a couple of times but have never been succesfull... :(
 
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