Rewards booking codes for VA?

[Shy180]

Easy - you are searching VA not DJ. VA appear not to return H class to GDS's on their codeshares.Results from ExpertFlyer.com

Flight Availability Search
Departing MEL on 08/06/12 12:00 AM for BNE
Flying DJ  
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DJ 347        0      MEL                BNE                73H       J7 W7 O7 H1 Y7 I7 D7 N7 B7 M0 S7 T7 A0 U0 X0 R0 L0 P7 C0 E0 F0 
                     08/06/12 6:00 PM   08/06/12 8:10 PM

Thanks

 

[jjsyd]

I flew on DJ51 AKL-SYD today which was booked as VA51 in N class... C class was printed on the boarding pass so I'd imagine that it's used for international codeshares. Also, I did a random search for SYD-BNE tomorrow and where C is available on DJ in every instance G, E, N, T, V, Q are available on the VA code.

jjsyd

 

[Moopere]

I flew on DJ51 AKL-SYD today which was booked as VA51 in N class... C class was printed on the boarding pass so I'd imagine that it's used for international codeshares. Also, I did a random search for SYD-BNE tomorrow and where C is available on DJ in every instance G, E, N, T, V, Q are available on the VA code.

Ahh, interesting. Did you get any earn on the C (N) class fare? I'm thinking you would have, but a confirmation would be great. Was this an economy flexi/saver or business?

 

[Moopere]

End of March Update #2:

From Virgins Site:

S, T, A, U, X, R, F = Discount Economy
Y, N, B, M = Full Fare Economy (Flexi)
W = Premium Economy (Possibly Long Haul International PE translates into W for Domestic or Short Haul ... W seems to come from Business Class stock)
J = Business


AFF deduction, certainly open to review:

O = Discount J

H = Velocity rewards J

I = Economy (?? probably) reward or other non earning fare (Really unsure, some sort of Y fare that involves airline goodwill or last minute changes????)

D = Might be Government contract Economy, probably non earning - need more data

L = Economy (?? probably) reward or other non earning fare

P = Discount Economy Flex, most likely rewards or non earning related (or it would be in the discount economy listing from DJ)

C = Discount Y, codeshare bucket. Listed by DL and SQ as 50% earning Discount Y

E = Listed by DL and SQ as 50% earning Discount Y ... more data required .. if it were standard cash discount Y then it should be in DJ's list of discount Y. If it were straight rewards its unlikely to generate earn via partners.

Q = Points Upgrade or Comp (status) upgrade to J

R = Some sort of promotional class. Its listed in Virgins 'earning' classes (see top of post), but there is mounting anecdotal evidence that R class is used for Amex "free" flights. Also appears to be used for the Virgin "Flyer" and "High Flyer" 2 for 1 paid seats redemption when those seats are booked as economy.

T = Possible Amex / promotional class. Need some boarding passes to verify this.

 

[serfty]

Note that T class may also be used for AMEX free flights.

 

[Moopere]

Note that T class may also be used for AMEX free flights.

I've seen this mentioned. Love to see someones boarding pass to qualify the possibility. I've noticed on EF that there is usually tons of T class availability whilst R is rather rare ... not at all sure what this means.

Also like to know if these R & T "promo" style classes earn any SC or FF. Being promotional I'd think not ... yet they appear in DJ's discount earning table and partners also list these classes as earners ... It would certainly be a hoot if my "free" amex flight also earned

 

[serfty]

I've seen this mentioned. Love to see someones boarding pass to qualify the possibility. I've noticed on EF that there is usually tons of T class availability whilst R is rather rare ... not at all sure what this means.

Also like to know if these R & T "promo" style classes earn any SC or FF. Being promotional I'd think not ... yet they appear in DJ's discount earning table and partners also list these classes as earners ... It would certainly be a hoot if my "free" amex flight also earned

See this post for an anecdote:

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....what-class-do-amex-free-36105.html#post551394

As for earning, if on the "Amex free" flight the effective fare paid is zero so no points; and I presume no SC's (although if I received any I am not sure I would post so on a public forum. ).

 

[Moopere]

As for earning, if on the "Amex free" flight the effective fare paid is zero so no points; and I presume no SC's (although if I received any I am not sure I would post so on a public forum.

I agree this would seem the normal thing. However, why are both T & R classes specifically mentioned in DJ's earning table (and partners too??). Very strange. I'd say there is an even chance that SC + FF would be earned at the normal rate. Of course, as you say, with cost = 0 x 5 + bonus % the FF earns for most would be zero, but SC are based on miles so should still be earned??

 

[oz_mark]

I agree this would seem the normal thing. However, why are both T & R classes specifically mentioned in DJ's earning table (and partners too??). Very strange. I'd say there is an even chance that SC + FF would be earned at the normal rate. Of course, as you say, with cost = 0 x 5 + bonus % the FF earns for most would be zero, but SC are based on miles so should still be earned??

Never got SC's or points on my free Amex flights. The Velocity T&C's do allow for tickets to have specific provisions that disallow the earning of points on the tickets - and I guess the Amex tickets do have these provisions.

 

[jjsyd]

Ahh, interesting. Did you get any earn on the C (N) class fare? I'm thinking you would have, but a confirmation would be great. Was this an economy flexi/saver or business?

It was a VA V Deal (Economy) fare (AKL-SYD-LAX-SYD-CHC). Nothing has credited to my account yet but that's not surprising! I'll confirm back once it credits.

 

[jneufeld]

In a bid to try and get some more data I have discovered a way to extract fare class info out of your past bookings registered in your velocity account.

If you go to the Velocity site then log in and go to My Bookings, then click view bookings you will open up your upcoming and past bookings.
Click on the view booking button to open up your booking, once in the booking you will need to view the source code on the page. Using Chrome this is done by right clicking and going to 'Inspect Element'
Once in the source code search for the word 'family' within the code and you should then find what is in the picture below (may vary depending on browser). The fare family is the fare code we are interested in.
Please post that code and the type of booking you had if it an out of the normal booking code ie. not a booking code posted by Virgin



For this booking you can see it is a H class booking from PER-MEL and H class is Velocity J Rewards.

 

[serfty]

Interesting - I knew you could do that whilst making a booking, but not for existing bookings.

Thanks muchly ...

 

[jneufeld]

That's what prompted me to see if it applied to existing bookings

 

[oz_mark]

Ok. I find

S = Fricking expensive Saver fares
T = Amex redemption
H = Business redemption
F = El cheapo sale fare

 

[Moopere]

Ok. I find

S = Fricking expensive Saver fares
T = Amex redemption
H = Business redemption
F = El cheapo sale fare

Have you flown these classes or just nutted it out?

I'm sort of glad of your conclusion of F .. I was fast coming to the same conclusion ... but only by observation. Very interested if you have actually flown a T fare as we have anecdotal reports of it being Amex flight related but no-one with a T boarding pass has reported yet.


[edit: S, T, A, U, X, R, F = Discount Economy

This is listed on the virgin website ... its just occurred to me that it might be in revenue order, much like ExpertFlyer listings tend to be. So, S = most expensive discount Economy, F = most economical discount economy.

R has been linked to promo type fares, like the Amex free flight and looking at EF its almost always sold out. T on the other hand has a couple of verbal reports of being linked to Amex free flight also, but almost always has good availability]

 

[oz_mark]

Have you flown these classes or just nutted it out?

I'm sort of glad of your conclusion of F .. I was fast coming to the same conclusion ... but only by observation. Very interested if you have actually flown a T fare as we have anecdotal reports of it being Amex flight related but no-one with a T boarding pass has reported yet.

I followed jneufield's instructions above.

Interestingly, no fare class appeared on the boarding pass for the Amex flight!

 

[medhead]

I should wary if speaking without checking. But I'm pretty sure most of my happy hour fares are F.


Sent from the Throne

 

[Moopere]

I followed jneufield's instructions above.

Interestingly, no fare class appeared on the boarding pass for the Amex flight!

Ahh, thats excellent data. So, all being real flights, even if not the boarding passes, but really high confidence now that T = Amex flight.

Thanks.

 

[Moopere]

Interestingly, no fare class appeared on the boarding pass for the Amex flight!

Oh, I forgot to ask, and really need to.

R & T classes are listed by virgin as discount economy but _earning_ classes. This is backed up by evidence from their partners websites. Nevertheless, I'm assuming that the Amex flights didn't earn either FF points or SC's ... can you confirm?

 

[oz_mark]

Oh, I forgot to ask, and really need to.

R & T classes are listed by virgin as discount economy but _earning_ classes. This is backed up by evidence from their partners websites. Nevertheless, I'm assuming that the Amex flights didn't earn either FF points or SC's ... can you confirm?

Correct:

Melbourne-Perth (Not Valid For Earn)

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