So... what car do you guys drive when not flying?

Heard a story yesterday, about a car that was in its hibernation mode, but apparently a cat was making a habit of jumping on to it, and that resulted in the security system constantly coming to life. That eventually killed all of the power. It was an EV so quite some disassembly required before before it was even able to be loaded on to the tow vehicle to be taken to a repair place.
 
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Heard a story yesterday, about a car that was in its hibernation mode, but apparently a cat was making a habit of jumping on to it, and that resulted in the security system constantly coming to life. That eventually killed all of the power. It was a EV so quite some disassembly required before before it was even able to be loaded on to the tow vehicle to be taken to a repair place.
Sorry but this story is complete luddite BS :rolleyes:

Let's have the model of EV that this apparently happened to @jb747

For anyone who can't work out why this story is so stupid, just have a think. Does your ICE car have a security system? Well, it runs off a 12V 2kWh battery. Cats sleep on ICE cars too and they can't start without that battery. Now an EV has what... a 55kWh battery at minimum. So it would last with a cat setting off it's security system 25 times what an ICE vehicle does, but given my 2 year old EV is smart enough to turn off the security system at 20% SoC (plus automatically turns off the cameras when you're home by GPS so it's already at lower consumption at home) I'd love to know what relic would run a battery flat doing this.

Even so, the apparent achilles heels in this story are that it would last 25 times longer than an ICE would for the car to die, but somehow didn't charge during that entire time despite just needing to be plugged into a household socket, and needing disassembly to be towed? WTF? All the car needs is minimum charge to be put into neutral, so whoever disassembled it is a moron. Did they not have any power sockets there? No extension cord? It was easier to disassemble the car?

Even if you didn't have a socket, the cars have other ways of being engaged into neutral. On my car at a minimum it has terminals you can clip a 12v battery to to get the minimum control needed to open/neutral/tow the car. And that's if somehow you managed to get it to discharge itself, which is difficult in and of itself, because just like your mobile phone it is smart enough to detect when you're getting to lower discharge levels and then selectively turn off functions to delay it further and further.

Just a dumb story, sorry. Shows more about the faculties of those who concocted it than those who it's aimed at.
 
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last 25 times longer than an ICE
Whether apocryphal or not, it will eventually go flat.

And it is not apocryphal that EV batteries do go flat. And when it does it’s a PITA. And not necessarily 25 times longer. The power consumption for the security system in an EV far exceeds that of an ICE.

I have a habit of plugging in the hospital beds which are battery powered.
I was asked once about my seemingly OCD habit - the comment after the query was “you know it has a battery?”…
 
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Dunno. I was told the story by a Jaguar service manager, and the car concerned was Jag I-Pace.

But, as you are no doubt aware, your EV has more than one battery. It has the big one that makes it go, but it also has a much more normal car auxilary battery that provides ancillary services, in particular when it's otherwise shut down. Actually most modern cars have some sort of equivalent. If these batteries discharge, irrespective of the charge state of the normal battery, your car won't go.

This is an article about the one in Tesla: Understanding Tesla 12V Battery (2021) | EVgoforth

As for accusing me of being an EV luddite. I don't agree at all. I couldn't make one work for me last time bought a car, and I'm not sure that I could now, but there's no doubt that the choices are improving daily.
 
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Dunno. I was told the story by a Jaguar service manager, and the car concerned was Jag I-Pace.
Guess whos revenue is directly affected by the low service costs of EVs.... of anyone, this guy should be the least trustworthy when it comes to EV tales

I did a quick search and there are stories of the 12v battery dying in the Jaguars, but all cars (EV & ICE) can run into this issue - not sure why the main battery isn't keeping the SLA charged effectively but I am sure it can happen. Here's an example:


However again that's the 12V SLA, your ICE has the same battery with the same limitation (but no bigger battery to charge it off) and of course just like a Tesla there's manual releases, they're discussed in the thread above too. There's no reason the fix for the EV couldn't have been the same fix for a non-EV - jump it, clamp on another battery or replace the 12V SLA. It just doesn't make for an exciting story.

But, as you are no doubt aware, your EV has more than one battery. It has the big one that makes it go, but it also has a much more normal car auxilary battery that provides ancillary services, in particular when it's otherwise shut down.
Yes, but it's continually maintained via the big battery, whereas ICE cars aren't. So a more accurate assessment is that I have at very least ~57kWh (in the Standard Range), the big one plus the small one, vs ~2kWh in an ICE car. Again why this doesn't happen in the I-Pace is beyond me (if indeed it doesn't), but the SLA is absolutely maintained by the main battery in Teslas when the security system is activated (and thus the car wakes from sleep) and plenty of other EVs, so I don't get how this puts an EV at a disadvantage with its ability to maintain the 12V SLA charge without having to run the engine to charge it via alternator.

In fact, I have to say that it absolutely must work this way, because how else would the SLA battery get charged? No alternator, no maintenance. If the cat was continually waking up the vehicle, the 12V would have been getting topped up. The thread above is a car that stayed asleep constantly, not that was woken up, they're different scenarios and the scenario above is identical to an ice car left for a period of time.

As for accusing me of being an EV luddite. I don't agree at all. I couldn't make one work for me last time bought a car, and I'm not sure that I could now, but there's no doubt that the choices are improving daily.
100% can guarantee I wasn't accusing you of this at all, I'm speaking about the guy who told you this tall tale. This is pretty much how the BS propagates - you have people who are convinced that the concept is flawed, and those who don't drive them can't really debunk the BS. Those who can are going to say BS in the same way if I started rattling off pure fantasy about ICE cars, plenty in here would step forward and correct me.

Also, keep in mind that Tesla have just started shipping cars with Lithium batteries in place of the 12V SLAs, which means a combination of greater capacity and lower footprint. The days of the 12V SLA are numbered, especially in EVs where lithium batteries are king: Tesla's New 12V Li-Ion Auxiliary Battery Has CATL Cells Inside
 
Now an EV has what... a 55kWh battery at minimum. So it would last with a cat setting off it's security system 25 times what an ICE vehicle does

power consumption for the security system in an EV far exceeds that of an ICE.

The people at Tesla motors forum suggest that the Tesla sentry mode used approx 5kW per day when sentry mode is on.
 
I shouldn’t have been discussing things electrical. A couple of days ago, the Jag misfired a couple of times whilst driving. It got worse, so called them and they took the car away (!). Dud connection to LP fuel pump. Drove in to pick it up, and got an airbag light in the RRS. It won’t be back until mid next week…
 
I got 10,000km worth of AdBlue in the tank - so another 6-8 months worth

I rang around for Adblue (pump). Usually I pay no more than $0.90/L. But several servos are out.
One place is quoting $4.50/L at the pump.

National shortage of Adblue as again we are relying on imports for everything.
 
Just discovered this thread...

We have a 2019 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (plug-in hybrid) where we enjoy paying both fuel excise and Victoria's new low emissions vehicle tax of 2c per km. Apart from the extra tax, it is very efficient for a smallish SUV.

my toy is a 2012 Merc C250 CDI (C204 turbo diesel) coupe.
 
I got 10,000km worth of AdBlue in the tank - so another 6-8 months worth

I rang around for Adblue (pump). Usually I pay no more than $0.90/L. But several servos are out.
One place is quoting $4.50/L at the pump.

National shortage of Adblue as again we are relying on imports for everything.
What an unbelievably easy country we are to cripple.
We have a 2019 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (plug-in hybrid) where we enjoy paying both fuel excise and Victoria's new low emissions vehicle tax of 2c per km. Apart from the extra tax, it is very efficient for a smallish SUV.
Maybe there might be a positive to living on the border. Just have find a garage on the other side for when I inevitably end up with an EV.
 
I got 10,000km worth of AdBlue in the tank - so another 6-8 months worth

I rang around for Adblue (pump). Usually I pay no more than $0.90/L. But several servos are out.
One place is quoting $4.50/L at the pump.

National shortage of Adblue as again we are relying on imports for everything.
just wee into a barrel for 6 months and let it evaporate and concentrate to get around 35% urea, add 65% distiller water and add to AddBlue tank!

(ps don’t try this at home. :) )
 
bit of a laugh… we need a caption comp….

Or this Tesla which was ripped in half last month when the battery exploded. ( I can’t post the video )

https://www.coughute.com/video/Y9tzv976XzAM/
 
There's absolutely no point responding to these posts simply because you can't force critical thinking and you can't explain the ins and outs of the world to people one post at a time.

Sure I could post examples of huge repair bills for ICE cars just outside of warranty (8 years is the warranty period for battery btw) or explain that an EV battery is actually 10s of thousands of individual cells, not the same as the LiPo pouch in your mobile phone and that it is simply a matter of measuring each cell, popping out those than need replacing and reconditioning a pack that way (unless you totally destroyed it by driving a stake through the entire pack, also known as time to call aunty AAMI) and therefore quoting an entire pack replacement is stupid as you already have the pack base and cells on hand.

I could be somewhat crude and point to a recent terrible event involving an ICE car that burst into flames in Melbourne and we could go tit for tat on that basis.

But it doesn't matter. Belief systems are belief systems. It ain't much different to religion, I don't waste time arguing there either.
 
Well, I have to disown my nephew, after talking about buying a Focus RS, Audi A3 RS or a Golf GTI or R, he has bought a .....tesla......

Told him not to park it anywhere near my place, don't want it exploding near us!

Meanwhile I have bought this, hopefully the bits will go into my Escort Cosworth 909 motorsport shell....


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