The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

[Lynda2475]

I think the fact NSW authorities are classing as fully vaccinated, one would guess they have assessed that its more than 3 weeks since last dose.

Given he was an aged care resident so 1A probably would have been months ago. The vaccination roll-out reports have shown that 100% of aged care facilities have been visited for weeks, and only a handful of doses delivered in last 2 months in aged care.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

or the self decalred expert claiming Pfizer causes you to cough up blood.

Did anyone make such a claim? No

However yes one person is in hospital in Melbourne due to this.

Both vaccines are extremely safe.

 

[louie-m]

One was fully vaccinated, but had underlying conditions, he was from the Summer Hill nursing home. 90s is a good innings, above the average life span for men, elderly people in aged care generally have comorbidities, we know that if they get Covid their outcomes are multiples of times more likley to be death than those of working age.

How strange you forgot to mention he was fully vaccinated with Pfizer. I wonder if you would have forgotten if he had been fully vaccinated with AZ?

 

[Lynda2475]

If South Australians choose to mainly get vaccinated with Pfizer now (ie do not also get vaccinated with AZ), then the time taken for a greater proportion of the population to be fully vaccinated will take longer.

Not true. Someone getting AZ today wont be fully vaccinated until 4th November (12 weeks). Someone booking for Pfizer on 1st Sept will be fully vaccinated by 22nd Sept.

Only those ineligble for Pfizer (over 60) will be vaccinated faster if they choose AZ today, of course they have had months to do so already.

Did anyone make such a claim?

Well you conveninetly deleted it when called out.

 

[Lynda2475]

How strange you forgot to mention he was fully vaccinated with Pfizer. I wonder if you would have forgotten if he had been fully vaccinated with AZ?

I didnt forget, Ive been on a phone call and havent listened to the whole presser yet. But also to be expected since only Pfizer was offered in aged care.

No vacicne is 100% effective (ive never claimed such), even less so in the very elderly who have weaker immune systems and likely numerable comorbidities. Perfectly healthy and able bodied people arent put into aged care, the average stay in aged is short, people die there everyday.

Note of the 5 partially vaccinated in ICU, 4 had AZ. So AZ isnt proving more effective if that is what you are claiming.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Well you conveninetly deleted it when called out.

It really is poor form to fabricate. I did not delete any such post, nor did I make such a post.


My post is still there and it was about one person.

In my circle, one person who just had their second Pfizer Dose was admitted to hospital yesterday after vomiting up blood.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

. But also to be expected since only Pfizer was offered in aged care.

More incorrect information.

AZ has also been used in aged care. I personally know many people in aged care who have had AZ.

 

[Lynda2475]

not did I make such a post.

If you are not infering a connection then why post it at all? Absolutely scare mongering on your part.

More incorrect information

If you have proof that the Wyoming Aged Care facility gave AZ instead of Pfizer under the commonweath scheme please provide it? The facility operator was quoted in the media at the start of that cluster stating majoroty of residents had consented to receive Pfizer.

1A started before AZ was available and Pfizer was the vaccine given as part of that roll-out. People entering aged care more recently may have received AZ, but that was after the 1A roll-out.

 

[mviy]

Not true. Someone getting AZ roday wont be fully vaccinated until 4th November (12 weeks). Someone booking for Pfizer on 1st Sept will be fully vaccinated by 22nd Sept.

You are talking about one individual that happens to secure an appointment soon whilst quoting a post about what's best for the community. There is not enough mRNA vaccine around to reach the 80% target with just mRNA vaccines in the next two to three months and probably even longer. Whilst an individual taking AZ now that doesn't bring forward his 2nd dose may take longer to get fully vaccinated if he waits the full 12 weeks for the 2nd dose and is able to get mRNA soon, he will help us reach the 80% target sooner.

What's more if a young person that is not anti-vax takes AZ now they will bring forward the time that older people that are resisting getting AZ can access mRNA, people in the most vulnerable group who should have been fully vaccinated by now but have been scared off by anti-vax scaremongering and are waiting for Pfizer.

In my case I am in 2B and I took AZ 5 and a half weeks ago now. With a 6 week wait for the 2nd Pfizer dose now at VIC state hubs I'd be getting to the point very soon where even waiting the full 12 weeks I'd be fully vaccinated sooner than I could have with Pfizer at a state hub. What's more it's safe for me to have my 2nd dose at any time now if I need to. I would unquestionably have been slowing down us reaching vaccination targets if I had waited for Pfizer. As it currently stands I'm the only person in my household and my office (when I can return there) to not be fully vaccinated.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Sigh - ACT in lockdown - too many Sydney people coming here when they shouldn’t. At least our vaccination rates for over 60s is high (80%+) - if it does start spreading they can bring forward second jabs to quickly become fully vaccinated.

 

[mviy]

if it does start spreading they can bring forward second jabs to quickly become fully vaccinated.

The issue is that it does take a few weeks or so after the 2nd jab to start to get optimal protection so the risk you're taking is no exposure prior to the 2nd jab and ideally at least a few weeks afterwards.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

If you are not infering a connection then why post it at all?

You stated Pfizer causes you to cough up blood.

I reported about one case of it occurring, as part of a message to not let instances of a tiny number of adverse events being used to justify not taking a safe vaccine of which we have two of in Australia at present; Pfizer and AZ.

Absolutely scare mongering on your part.

Stating a fact about one case is not scaremongering. Especially when my whole post was about recommending that people get vaccinated.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Sigh - ACT in lockdown - too many Sydney people coming here when they shouldn’t. At least our vaccination rates for over 60s is high (80%+) - if it does start spreading they can bring forward second jabs to quickly become fully vaccinated.

Hugs. Unfortunately everyone is vulnerable, not just a certain segment of the population.

ACT leading the vaccination rates at the moment, so hopefully a better than hoped for outcome if spread escalates.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

If you have proof that the Wyoming Aged Care facility gave AZ instead of Pfizer under the commonweath scheme please provide it? The facility operator was quoted in the media at the start of that cluster stating majoroty of residents had consented to receive Pfizer.

1A started before AZ was available and Pfizer was the vaccine given as part of that roll-out. People entering aged care more recently may have received AZ, but that was after the 1A roll-out.

You stated

. But also to be expected since only Pfizer was offered in aged care.

This incorrect.

You did not reference the one facility.

 

[NM]

If that has actually happened then I sit here in disbelief that a state government would play politics with vaccination appointments for the sake of a good news story given the position we are in at the moment

Well, as someone once said, when given the choice between a conspiracy theory or incompetence, incompetence will win 9 times out of 10. Either way, does not represent well for Qld Health.

 

[mviy]

Hugs. Unfortunately everyone is vulnerable, not just a certain segment of the population.

ACT leading the vaccination rates at the moment, so hopefully a better than hoped for outcome if spread escalates.

The overwhelming majority of the deaths are the unvaccinated elderly followed by those with co-morbidities.

Vaccinations are not perfect so some fully vaccinated people will still die. Also healthy unvaccinated young people can still die, but they are the minority of the deaths.

We have to learn to live with the virus and accept some risk.

What many here think is that we as individuals should be allowed to consider what is an acceptable risk for us, especially once we are fully vaccinated (I anticipate being fully vaccinated late September) and if we are doing something that only involves mixing with other fully vaccinated people.

 

[Pushka]

Covid is bad enough. Can we quit with the he/she said stuff? We have two vaccines. Both incredibly effective. There are side effects that may impact a very small percentage of people. People will take whichever vaccine. Unvaccinated people will possibly die from Covid or have long Covid. Old people and very ill people will die. Sometimes exacerbated by Covid. Sometimes after being vaccinated. We will continue with Covid lockdowns until as many people as possible can be vaccinated. Have I missed anything?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The overwhelming majority of the deaths are the unvaccinated elderly followed by those with co-morbidities.

Vaccinations are not perfect so some fully vaccinated people will still die. Also healthy unvaccinated young people can still die, but they are the minority of the deaths.

We have to learn to live with the virus and accept some risk.

What many here think is that we as individuals should be allowed to consider what is an acceptable risk for us, especially once we are fully vaccinated (I anticipate being fully vaccinated late September) and if we are doing something that only involves mixing with other fully vaccinated people.

You look at deaths - I look at deaths and further afield (eg ICU, long covid).......and that's my point by saying everyone is vulnerable.

To me its repugnant to accept a risk when everyone hasn't had a chance to be vaccinated. So not sure if in part you are trying to say something else.

There is a difference between acceptable personal risk (eg choosing to vaccinate) and effectiveness of vaccination (eg died despite being fully vaccinated).

 

[Lynda2475]

Stating a fact about one case is not scaremongering

Many would disagree.

You did not reference the one facility

Not necessary given Pfizer was the vaccine used in the commonwealth aged care roll-out, you kowing of some exceptions in Victoria (which may have been state run facilities) whilst the gentlemen was in NSW doesnt change the odds that Pfizer was given.

Your nitpicking adds naught to the point that some fully vaccinated people will die because no vaccine is 100% effective and elderly people in aged care with comordities are the ones more likely to do so, just as is the case with the flu.

The many people in aged care who die each year despite having had flu vax doesnt make headlines.

We need to be focussing on the sucesses of the vaccination i.e. how many vacicnated people didnt get covid despite being directly exposed to a positive case, and when there are breakthrough cases how many had no signifiant illness.

 

[mviy]

To me its repugnant to accept a risk when everyone hasn't had a chance to be vaccinated. So not sure if in part you are trying to say something else.

By the time I am fully vaccinated late September everyone (with rare exceptions) 18+ will have had a chance to get vaccinated as I’m in 2B.