The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

[Pushka]

Unfortunately while that may sound like good news, it will probably lead to a slower overall vaccination rate in SA as it will quite probably see more people just waiting for Pfizer/Moderna when those vaccines are going to be in short supply till October.

If a booking is there then anyone should be able to have it. Can’t see how it will slow things down. People who refuse to take AZ are still refusing in SA so let the young ones who are the spreaders be protected.

 

[Lynda2475]

hot doc and pulls up the first available appointment nearest to you

You do realise you can do that via the Fed tool for both vaccine types?

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However AZ was unnecessarily sabotaged by wrongly focussing on its tiny number of adverse events when a tiny fraction of people with both vaccines have adverse events

No AZ has greater incidence of adverse effects. In Aus, deaths from Az = 7, Pfizer = 0. Even the TGA website indicates milder adverse effects from Pfizer.

 

[JB expat]

Would love to see this rule here.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

No AZ has greater incidence of adverse effects. In Aus, deaths from Az = 7, Pfizer = 0. Even the TGA website indicates milder adverse effects from Pfizer.

Only the foolish do not factor in what happens by not being vaccinated.


The main adverse events in Australia are in Sydney hospitals from people who could have had AZ (note some people have medical reasons why they were not vaccinated).

Unfortunately some people cannot understand that waiting for Pfizer leads to many, many more adverse events compared to if people just got vaccinated now with whichever vaccine was available.

• Deaths from not taking AZ greater than deaths from taking AZ
• Adverse severe health outcomes from not taking AZ greater than adverse severe health outcomes from taking AZ

The more people that are vaccinated now with either AZ or Pfizer, the lower the overall coughulative number of severe health outcomes there will be.

 

[Lynda2475]

If a booking is there then anyone should be able to have it. Can’t see how it will slow things down. People who refuse to take AZ are still refusing in SA so let the young ones who are the spreaders be protected.

This is a good thing. They wouldnt have opened up bookings if they knew they didnt have unallocated supply. The 40-59s have had 2 months to book in already and 30-39s were always supposed to have access from September 1st.

Anyone in SA nabbing both Pfizer appointments in September or October will be fully vaccinated earlier than someone who starts AZ today (as 22 days vs 12 weeks), so the OPs claim this will slow things down is not correct.

 

[Matt_01]

If a booking is there then anyone should be able to have it. Can’t see how it will slow things down. People who refuse to take AZ are still refusing in SA so let the young ones who are the spreaders be protected.

As soon as SA open the 12-16 age group I will be checking daily for MissM. I am sorted, MrsM will be by next week or the week after and MissM is getting the gab as soon as she is allowed whether she likes it or not.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Unfortunately while that may sound like good news, it will probably lead to a slower overall vaccination rate in SA as it will quite probably see more people just waiting for Pfizer/Moderna when those vaccines are going to be in short supply till October.

There are two different issues. One is getting at least some protection by being partially vaccinated because the risk is high and the other is getting fully protected as soon as possible.

we were vaccinated with AZ in late April and second jab in late July. A 53 year old friend dug in his heels and refused vaccination until he could get Pfizer. So he was vaccinated in late July and fully protected 2.5 weeks after us.

so it comes back to the old balance of risk scenario. In some states (and South Australia is one of them - they are even making the poor Olympians double quarantine), you have almost no risk and are going to be more quickly fully protected by waiting for Pfizer/Moderna (5 million doses available in September). In Sydney and Melbourne I would be rushing for AZ to get some protection now,

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Would love to see this rule here.

The photo indicates vaccinate or testing, so I suspect it’s the typical US formula of mandating. I think akin to Fed employees, Google etc

Good that they are doing something to protect ineligible to be vaccinated kids.

 

[mviy]

Anyone in SA nabbing both Pfizer appointments in September or October will be fully vaccinated earlier than someone who starts AZ today (as 22 days vs 12 weeks), so the OPs claim this will slow things down is not correct.

If everyone takes that attitude it is going to slow things down. We are not going to hit 80% vaccination in November so people taking AZ now will speed things up for the community as there is a shortage of mRNA, even more so if they bring forward their second AZ dose to sooner than 12 weeks.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

There are two different issues. One is getting at least some protection by being partially vaccinated because the risk is high and the other is getting fully protected as soon as possible.

we were vaccinated with AZ in late April and second jab in late July. A 53 year old friend dug in his heels and refused vaccination until he could get Pfizer. So he was vaccinated in late July and fully protected 2.5 weeks after us.

so it comes back to the old balance of risk scenario. In some states (and South Australia is one of them - they are even making the poor Olympians double quarantine), you have almost no risk and are going to be more quickly fully protected by waiting for Pfizer/Moderna (5 million doses available in September). In Sydney and Melbourne I would be rushing for AZ to get some protection now,

I am talking whole of population.

If South Australians choose to mainly get vaccinated with Pfizer now (ie do not also get vaccinated with AZ), then the time taken for a greater proportion of the population to be fully vaccinated will take longer.


Also do not forget that if a Sydney type outbreak hit Adelaide that anyone who had a first dose of AZ could have their second dose brought forward.


PS In todays cases the ACT has cases and is entering lockdown, and Victoria announced 2 more positive incursions from NSW.

SA not getting more AZ into people now is a very risky strategy.

AZ+Pfizer is much better than Pfizer alone

 

[jakeseven7]

You do realise you can do that via the Fed tool for both vaccine types?

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No AZ has greater incidence of adverse effects. In Aus, deaths from Az = 7, Pfizer = 0. Even the TGA website indicates milder adverse effects from Pfizer.

Just stop please with your vaccine scare mongering. Please.

 

[Batterytraveller]

Just stop please with your vaccine scare mongering. Please.

The ignore button is a wonderful thing. I’d never used one before I ran into our resident vaccine Kassandra. Now if only I could ignore all the responses to the stuff I am ignoring.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Individual in late 20s in Melbourne with long history of asthma requiring persistent medication and occasional steroi_ courses spoke to GP about AZ yesterday. Was told may as well wait for Pfizer or Moderna.

The individual concerned also told me about stories regarding fertility issues associated with AZ. One quick Google proved that to be total rubbish. Additionally, this person is not attempting to conceive at the moment either.

 

[jakeseven7]

Individual in late 20s in Melbourne with long history of asthma requiring persistent medication and occasional steroi_ courses spoke to GP about AZ yesterday. Was told may as well wait for Pfizer or Moderna.

The individual concerned also told me about stories regarding fertility issues associated with AZ. One quick Google proved that to be total rubbish. Additionally, this person is not attempting to conceive at the moment either.

There is increasing concern if doctors recommend people to wait, and then the person contracts covid and dies / becomes seriously ill and incapacitated moving forward. Our defence insurers are looking at this right now…

 

[mviy]

Two men in their 90s died in hospital in NSW with COVID in the latest numbers. I assume they were unvaccinated though they should have been fully vaccinated by now.

 

[Lynda2475]

Just stop please with your vaccine scare mongering. Please

I am not scare mongering I am speaking out against the scaremongering on this post from the person posting videos about Pfizer or the self decalred expert claiming Pfizer causes you to cough up blood.

Look at the facts and incidence re heart side effects from Pfizer in Australia and you will see the TGA states they are temporary and no deaths recorded. It is the safest vaccine we have, so trying to scare people away from it is illogical and its dangerous to encourage people to choose a slower path to full vaccination via AZ when they can get Pfizer.

Sydney outbreak has 5 partially vaccinated people in ICU, we need people to get fully vaccinated and Pfizer (and Moderna from September) are the fatest route if you are eligible, so should be taken if available to you.

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Two men in their 90s died in hospital in NSW with COVID in the latest numbers. I assume they were unvaccinated though they should have been fully vaccinated by now.

One was fully vaccinated, but had underlying conditions, he was from the Summer Hill nursing home. 90s is a good innings, above the average life span for men, elderly people in aged care generally have comorbidities, we know that if they get Covid their outcomes are multiples of times more likley to be death than those of working age.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Two men in their 90s died in hospital in NSW with COVID in the latest numbers. I assume they were unvaccinated though they should have been fully vaccinated by now.

First fully vaccinated death.

The other had one jab.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Two men in their 90s died in hospital in NSW with COVID in the latest numbers. I assume they were unvaccinated though they should have been fully vaccinated by now.

One had one dose AZ

The other two doses Pfizer

No idea on timing though

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

One had one dose AZ

The other two doses Pfizer

No idea on timing though

I think the fact NSW authorities are classing as fully vaccinated, one would guess they have assessed that its more than 3 weeks since last dose.

 

[Lynda2475]

There is increasing concern if doctors recommend people to wait, and then the person contracts covid and dies / becomes seriously ill and incapacitated moving forward.

Well one would hope the Doctor was considering that persons likelihood of catching covid. It is still extremely low for those who can WFH and dont live with anyone working in the community in a role where they are likley to be exposed. There isnt a one size fits all risk assessment and you need to consider the end to end timeframe for full vaccination, as partial vaccination is not keeping people out of ICU.