The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

[justinbrett]

I think there's something in my eye...

 

[justinbrett]

Supply is very much the issue.

NSW surged when Pfizer supply was increased, and so it is not just more people being willing people takning AZ

Vic for example has not opened up Pfizer to the under 40s yet (ignoring special categories) as there is not enough supply.


There are spare appointments every week at the State Hubs at present as they keep 1/ adding additional capacity and 2/ adding in more doses of Pfizer once the commonwealth supplies it.

There is always a bit of delay when new slots are added for them to be filled and unfortunately some are waiting for Pfizer still when they could be getting Pfizer.

In the Vic Presser today available slots that can be booked over the next week for both first and second doses is 50,000 in the State Hubs.
2 days ago at the presser it was 80,000 when another 40/50K of Pfizer of doses was added in as able to be booked.

Under 40s in NSW came from the Poland doses and only for the LGAs of concern, the rest of the state are waiting or are choosing AZ.

I don't know how you argue supply being the issue whilst also saying appointments are going unfilled. It makes no sense.

Anyway, in this case, good if the other states get jealous of NSW. A bit of competition can only make the other states lift their game.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I have no idea as the Commonwealth has never published the exact vaccination doses for Pfizer and and AZ throughout the whole vaccination program.

You only get snippets announced by them which are never a complete picture.

Well I remember an instance when Vic said they would be asking for the same Pfizer brought forward doses and estimated it at being 150,000 - their estimation was out by few very doses say about 100-1000 doses difference.

If there was a huge problem, every State leader would be making a point of it.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Well I remember an instance when Vic said they would be asking for the same Pfizer brought forward doses and estimated it at being 150,000 - their estimation was out by few very doses say about 100-1000 doses difference.

I am not saying it is a huge problem, NSW had a need and so fair enough, it got more dose more quickly..

If there was a huge problem, every State leader would be making a point of it.

Pretty much each daily presser in Vic when the question is asked on vaccinations it is stated that supply is limiting vaccinations. To be clear they are not complaining about the extra doses, just that supply limits the vaccination rate.

 

[Pushka]

I think there's something in my eye...

Yeah. It's good.

 

[justinbrett]

If NSW starts winding back restrictions at 70% it means that the NSW Gov is happy with the health outcomes from reduced restrictions.
If so then the supply of Pfizer/Moderna then needs to get back to restoring the even distribution to all jurisdictions so that everywhere can get to the point of opening up for international travel etc.

Your plan to (punish?) NSW won't work because by the time they get to 70% double vaccinated, they will be well above 80% single vaccinated so whatever vaccine makeup was used to get there will need to be replicated in the second dose within the 4-8 week period after.

I think you're completely exaggerating how much extra Pfizer NSW got - the brought forward was September doses so by the end of September it should all equal out.

The main reason NSW is doing so well is it publicly endorsed AZ early on in the outbreak, much to the dismay of other states (especially QLD). Why do you think Dan Andrews is upset about the under 40s announcement? He doesn't want anything to undermine the AZ takeup - he knows that's the key to get ahead in the vaccine rollout.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

dBRaeven update on the current Victorian State Hub Goal of 1,000,000 jabs in 5 weeks.

A daily average of 28,571 doses is needed to achieve the one million doses. Current daily average doses is 26,986 (yesterday: 27,754).

So that is just a little behind. However a large pool of extra slots were only just opened this week, and extra state hubs are still to open in the period.

 

[justinbrett]

dBRaeven update on the current Victorian State Hub Goal of 1,000,000 jabs in 5 weeks.

A daily average of 28,571 doses is needed to achieve the one million doses. Current daily average doses is 26,986 (yesterday: 27,754).

So that is just a little behind. However a large pool of extra slots were only just opened this week.

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Curious why Victoria is focusing on state delivered jabs and not total jabs? Surely it doesn't matter where you get it from, it's the number of total doses given out that matters. Is it more about delivery capacity being the limitation rather than uptake? (serious question)

Victoria is doing very well for state vs federal doses (almost 50/50) so it's not like it's underperforming.

 

[Must...Fly!]

It's not the only state that is focusing on it. I think it was a (now completely arbitrary) way of the state distancing itself from the federal rollout.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Curious why Victoria is focusing on state delivered jabs and not total jabs?

It is exactly the same in all states.

The Commonwealth manages distribution through GPs an Pharmacies.
The Commonwealth also directly looks after Aged and Disability Care (Though Vic Gov has taken this over for some facilities)

The State Governments run the the State Hub Vaccination Facilities. This includes pop-ups and outreach programs for say the homeless ec..

 

[justinbrett]

It is exactly the same in all states.

The Commonwealth manages distribution through GPs an Pharmacies.
The Commonwealth also directly looks after Aged and Disability Care (Though Vic Gov has taken this over for some facilities)

The State Governments run the the State Hub Vaccination Facilities.

Yes I know that, but who cares if you get jabbed through one system or another.

I'm asking why they have a promotion for just state administered jabs. It's no good to Dan Andrews if everybody elects to go to state run hubs and GPs sit with unused doses.

In comparison to NSW who promote the total jab figure (eg, the current 6 million jabs goal).

 

[hj.au]

The Qantas Group is launching its reward campaign for COVID-19 vaccinated Australians to recognise their role in helping the country get out of lockdown.

From tomorrow, fully vaccinated Australian-based Frequent Flyers who are 18 and over will be able to claim their reward through the Qantas App by choosing one of three options:

• 1000 Qantas points
• 15 status credits (which help Frequent Flyers move up between Silver, Gold and Platinum tiers)
• $20 flight discount for Qantas or Jetstar

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Yes I know that, but who cares if you get jabbed through one system or another.

I'm asking why they have a promotion for just state administered jabs. It's no good to Dan Andrews if everybody elects to go to state run hubs and GPs sit with unused doses.

In comparison to NSW who promote the total jab figure (eg, the current 6 million jabs goal).

And the Vic Gov promotes that the current agreed national Vaccination Rollout goals of 70 and 80% Vaccination Rates.

The million jab program is just part of the whole.

Gladys has certainly mentioned various state vaccination numbers as well from time to time and special short term state hub programs.
ie the HSC Student Jab Program, or was that done at GPs as well?

 

[justinbrett]

And the Vic Gov promotes that the current agreed national Vaccination Rollout goals of 70 and 80% Vaccination Rates.

The million jab program is just part of the whole.

Gladys has certainly mentioned various state vaccination numbers as well from time to time and special short term state hub programs. ie the HSC student Program, or was that down at GPs as well?

Nothing wrong with promoting state hubs, but Gladys also promotes federal hubs, GPs, pharmacists - the resounding messages is just go and get whatever vaccine you can. A state specific goal would be more about their capacity to deliver, not something the public needs to worry about.

Just about every day she talks about the 6 million jab goal and she details the total vaccinations for the day prior (not just state based). It gets the whole population on side and everybody knows where they sit.

I guess we'll see if Victoria makes a big thing of 5 million jabs?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

- the resounding messages is just go and get whatever vaccine you can.

Which is the same in Vic.

The main message at present is that the best vaccine in the one in your arm.


The Feds did not open the pharmac_ program in Vic till very recently. Qld first from memory, then NSW then other states including Vic.

So until recently the messaging was on State Hubs or see your GP.

 

[Lynda2475]

Im sure a big portion of that is 16-39s who booked for AZ but now realise they can get Pfizer from next week, so are cancelling and waiting to grab one of the many currently available Pfizer jabs when the systems opens to them later this week. Your Premier keeps pruiking how many Pfizer slots are available every day.

Same thing happened when 50-59s could access Pfizer, huge number of AZ cancellations, then replaced by Pfizer in the following few weeks.

And both the news and The Project just confirmed the pending availability of Pfizer for under 40s next week is the main driver for all the cancellations in Vic.

 

[justinbrett]

Which is the same in Vic.

The main message at present is that the best vaccine in the one in your arm.

The question was specifically on the one million jabs campaign. It was not a criticism of Victoria's rollout.

I just find it an odd thing to focus on. If anything the federal delivered jabs are lower per capita compared to NSW so seem to be the ones that need to be promoted.

So until recently the messaging was on State Hubs or see your GP.

Don't forget the federal hubs

Anyway, moving on.

 

[Pushka]

And both the news and The Project just confirmed the pending availability of Pfizer for under 40s next week is the main driver for all the cancellations in Vic.

How would the Project know what the various premiers and PM don't?

 

[mviy]

There are several million people aged 16-39. Considering that there are many people aged 40-59 and other priority groups with bookings or yet to book some people aged 16-39 will be waiting several weeks for Pfizer and would have got fully vaccinated sooner with AZ potentially even if waiting the full 12 weeks. If waiting a shorter time between AZ doses it becomes even more likely to get fully vaccinated sooner with AZ.

 

[Lynda2475]

How would the Project know what the various premiers and PM don't

Who says Andrews doesnt know (the comment was about Vic cancellations)? You have to give your dob when you book, they know the age of the people cancelling and data shows it is under 40s.

This was to be expected, exactly what happened when advice for 50-59s changed and most that had yet to receive first jab, switched to Pfizer.