The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

[OATEK]

Evidently Scott Morrison has just now announced extra doses for national use. Arriving next weekend.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison announces 1 million more doses of Moderna​

He said the EU would be sending an additional million doses of the vaccine to arrive next weekend.​

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He also indicated that an "additional" 400,000 of Pfizer and Moderna would go to Victoria in September as part the 3 week Blitz announced by the Vic Gov this morning. Dan Andrews stated that that those doses were not in the program he had just announced, and so would be in addition to it.

General Frewen will evidently release details on this this afternoon.



Part of what was announced at the Vic Presser this morning on the 3 week push in Victoria was:

New pop-up vaccination sites confirmed across Victoria ​

There will be new pop-up vaccination hubs opening up across Victoria, targeting 100 priority postcodes. ​

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Using supply secured through agreements with Singapore and the UK, there will be five new community-based pop-ups and eight school-based pop-ups with more to open soon. ​

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Daniel Andrews says: "It's just removing another barrier, taking the vaccinations to you as it were," ​

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The school-based pop-ups will be available to students, families of students as well as teachers and school staff. ​

So how much of the earlier post can we discount. Its obvious that the Feds are doing now what they did for NSW a few weeks back - scour the world for extra doses and announce them when the deal is done.

 

[jb747]

So last week the Commonwealth was actually increasing doses in relatively very safe suburbs like I live in rather than in the suburbs where Covid is spreading the fastest.

How does it correlate with voting history?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So how much of the earlier post can we discount.

None of it, for as I said they detail of what was to be delivered had yet to be announced, and that detail is still to be announced.

We will also need to see what goes to the Commonwealth Aged Care and Disability Channel, as the PM did not refer to that at all. So hopefully that will be part of the General's details.

After we see what Frewen details later today we may possibly know what the situation is as to whether all of, or only some of, the 400,000 extra doses is extra to what had already been announced. Frewen had already said, as I said that post, that the shortfall would be made up, but just not exactly how much by and by when it would be made up by. Just vague details that it would start to happen as of this week.

ie What portion is making up for the existing delivered shortfall, and what portion is actual extra (from the EU deal of 1 million extra Moderna announced today). And also is any portion to be a "brought" forward arrangement.


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[lovetravellingoz]

How does it correlate with voting history?

I avoided that can of worms. I am more just interested in how many doses there are, and where and when the actual doses go.


It may however have been due to do what was easiest, rather than what was best. ie GP Practices in the more affluent suburbs tend to be better resourced. They are however just not where the bulk of Covid Cases/infections were and are.

Initially too the strategy was to focus primarily just on older people who are more in the more affluent suburbs. However that has not been the case for some time now.

 

[OATEK]

None of it, for as I said they detail of what was to be delivered had yet to be announced, and that detail is still to be announced.

We will also need to see what goes to the Commonwealth Aged Care and Disability Channel, as the PM did not refer to that at all. So hopefully that will be part of the General's details.

After we see what Frewen details later today we may possibly know what the situation is as to whether all of, or only some of, the 400,000 extra doses is extra to what had already been announced.

ie What portion is making up for the existing delivered shortfall, and what portion is actual extra. And also is any portion to be a "brought" forward arrangement.


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So mostly speculation. I am of the view that it would be good to see some more positive portrayals of what is happening with the regard to the vaccine rollout. For example the PM said today the extra vaccines will allow every Australian over 12 years old to receive their first jab by the end of October.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/coronavirus-australia-live-news-nsw-eyes-easing-of-more-restrictions/live-coverage/4bc4073a3e896ba209bb73fe048488b2

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

So how much of the earlier post can we discount. Its obvious that the Feds are doing now what they did for NSW a few weeks back - scour the world for extra doses and announce them when the deal is done.

Possibly an unpopular view, but Australia doesn't need any more doses swapped or purchased from elsewhere. There is a higher chance those not used in September that were swapped or purchased close to expiry have to be "re-gifted" in early-mid October to avoid absolute expiry (in early November???).

 

[Lynda2475]

Possibly an unpopular view, but Australia doesn't need any more doses swapped or purchased from elsewhere. There is a higher chance those not used in September that were swapped or purchased close to expiry have to be "re-gifted" in early-mid October to avoid absolute expiry (in early November???).

Highly unlikely given the 12-17s have to be given MRNA vaccines, and the program only officially opens to 12-15s tomorrow, and there is still much demand in th 17-59 cohort. These earlier doses will see the job done faster, anyone 18-59 who wanted AZ has had easy access since July, its Pfizer and Moderna that are now going to get us across the 80% line, and much faster the more jabs that are on hand.

 

[mviy]

85-89 has reached 70.1% fully vaccinated.

45-49 has reached 70% first dose. Every age group 40-44 and up has reached 70% first dose.

45-49 has reached 50.3% fully vaccinated. Every age group 45-49 and up has reached 50% fully vaccinated.

NT has gone past 60% first dose.

NSW has reached 78.48% first dose. I think most likely it'll be when Tuesday's numbers are released on Wednesday when NSW reaches 80% first dose.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Possibly an unpopular view, but Australia doesn't need any more doses swapped or purchased from elsewhere. There is a higher chance those not used in September that were swapped or purchased close to expiry have to be "re-gifted" in early-mid October to avoid absolute expiry (in early November???).

other than when you buy milk in a supermarket what are you basing this on?

 

[Batterytraveller]

Possibly an unpopular view, but Australia doesn't need any more doses swapped or purchased from elsewhere. There is a higher chance those not used in September that were swapped or purchased close to expiry have to be "re-gifted" in early-mid October to avoid absolute expiry (in early November???).

Regifting is a feature not a bug. There’s plenty that will want them (NZ, PNG, Timor Leste, Indonesia, to think of some of the nearest ones I can think of).

either that or we can outfit some vans with big nets and drive around Byron Bay catching the ‘hesitant’

I can’t think of a reason why having too many doses would be a bad thing.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Regifting is a feature not a bug. There’s plenty that will want them (NZ, PNG, Timor Leste, Indonesia, to think of some of the nearest ones I can think of).

either that or we can outfit some vans with big nets and drive around Byron Bay catching the ‘hesitant’

I can’t think of a reason why having too many doses would be a bad thing.

As I understand the amounts coming in, Australia will have 15m in September, 10m in October and 10m in November - total 35m.

Australia has completed about 22.5 million jabs. As a rough estimate that is already 50% of all 12+ eligible.

I suspect that's why Australia has been swapping their December doses with Singapore and UK.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Regifting is a feature not a bug. There’s plenty that will want them (NZ, PNG, Timor Leste, Indonesia, to think of some of the nearest ones I can think of).

either that or we can outfit some vans with big nets and drive around Byron Bay catching the ‘hesitant’

I can’t think of a reason why having too many doses would be a bad thing.

Plus based on Israel, and elsewhere, a third Pfizer dose may be necessary for at least some of the people who had their first two doses as Pfizer doses as it seems to for at least some cohorts to wane in its effectiveness after 6 months or so.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

As I understand the amounts coming in, Australia will have 15m in September, 10m in October and 10m in November - total 35m.

Australia has completed about 22.5 million jabs. As a rough estimate that is already 50% of all 12+ eligible.

I suspect that's why Australia has been swapping their December doses with Singapore and UK.

and cue booster talk in Jan

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I suspect that's why Australia has been swapping their December doses with Singapore and UK.

I think the main reason is the current active outbreaks in NSW, Vic and ACT and strong chance that other jurisdictions could easily experience the same at any time and so the more vaccinated now the better the health outcomes are for many, and economic outcomes for all.

 

[OATEK]

Possibly an unpopular view, but Australia doesn't need any more doses swapped or purchased from elsewhere. There is a higher chance those not used in September that were swapped or purchased close to expiry have to be "re-gifted" in early-mid October to avoid absolute expiry (in early November???).

As I understand the amounts coming in, Australia will have 15m in September, 10m in October and 10m in November - total 35m.

Australia has completed about 22.5 million jabs. As a rough estimate that is already 50% of all 12+ eligible.

I suspect that's why Australia has been swapping their December doses with Singapore and UK.

So which one is it. Swapping is a problem, or something that will work out all right on the night?

It seems to me that the Government has ordered much more than we need, but given we have already provided many doses to near neighbours I am sure they will all find a good home.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

It seems to me that the Government has ordered much more than we need, but given we have already provided many doses to near neighbours I am sure they will all find a good home.

Fully agree. And also to not so near neighbours like Vietnam.

We are quite rightly committed to overseas aid.

Plus some may be sold at whatever their purchase cost was. ie Pfizer may not be able to used at scale in some countries.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

So which one is it. Swapping is a problem, or something that will work out all right on the night?

It seems to me that the Government has ordered much more than we need, but given we have already provided many doses to near neighbours I am sure they will all find a good home.

I don't understand your point. My second post was an extension of the first. Australia has about 5m close to expiry jabs.

Edit: It appears on average to take about two weeks to get "swapped/purchased doses" into arms after the transportation, batch testing and then distributing. Some places can't use Pfizer at scale. Australia should be able to soak up 5m within the expiry, but depending on the details of any future swap/purchase, there will be a point of overcommitting.

If Australia sets aside January onwards as boosters, Ausralia has about 5m to swap in December and 10m to swap from November. So give up another 5m December longer-expiry doses for doses that expire by around November/December???

Australia's demonstrated jabbing peak is under 2m per week, so notionally Australia is going to take about 7 weeks to get through September's supply.

The other thing that might happen in October is the end of pro-rata supply. Conceivably there might be under-utilisation (shown as lack of demand) in some States and still strong demand in other States.

 

[OATEK]

I don't understand your point. My second post was an extension of the first. Australia has about 5m close to expiry jabs.

Edit: It appears on average to take about two weeks to get "swapped/purchased doses" into arms after the transportation, batch testing and then distributing. Some places can't use Pfizer at scale. Australia should be able to soak up 5m within the expiry, but depending on the details of any future swap/purchase, there will be a point of overcommitting.

If Australia sets aside January onwards as boosters, Ausralia has about 5m to swap in December and 10m to swap from November. So give up another 5m December longer-expiry doses for doses that expire by around November/December???

Australia's demonstrated jabbing peak is under 2m per week, so notionally Australia is going to take about 7 weeks to get through September's supply.

The other thing that might happen in October is the end of pro-rata supply. Conceivably there might be under-utilisation (shown as lack of demand) in some States and still strong demand in other States.

I am just as confused, so perhaps we leave it there.

 

[jakeseven7]

As I understand the amounts coming in, Australia will have 15m in September, 10m in October and 10m in November - total 35m.

Australia has completed about 22.5 million jabs. As a rough estimate that is already 50% of all 12+ eligible.

I suspect that's why Australia has been swapping their December doses with Singapore and UK.

Yup and quietly ignoring the fact the early Pfizer jabbed are / will be well into their last gasps of the Pfizer fade and some healthcare professionals are quietly boosting themselves with AZ for better protection

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Yup and quietly ignoring the fact the early Pfizer jabbed are will be well into their last gasps of the Pfizer fade and some healthcare professionals are quietly boosting themselves with AZ for better protection

So I guess no one has seen confirmation of what the PM and CMO are doing yet (or proposed to be doing)? ATAGI need to get into gear because the PM might need to travel internationally at short notice!