The totally off-topic thread

[JessicaTam]

A change in road rules several years ago means that if the indicating vehicle is in front of yours by any amount you have to let them in. This has liability implications if you don't get out the way fast enough and a collision ensues.

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Actually the opposite is true:

148 Giving way when moving from one marked lane or line of traffic to another marked lane or line of traffic
(1) A driver who is moving from one marked lane (whether or not the lane is ending) to another marked lane must give way to any vehicle travelling in the same direction as the driver in the marked lane to which the driver is moving

The exception to this relates to giving way to buses in the left lane.

 

[JohnK]

Are you saying that Mazda drivers scare you:?:

No. Volvo drivers scare me. :mrgreen:

 

[markis10]

Actually the opposite is true:



The exception to this relates to giving way to buses in the left lane.

No wonder there is so much confusion, there is also the exception where the lanes are unmarked, such as exiting a toll booth, where the vehicle in front has right of way

4. MERGING: When a driver is travelling on a road without lane markings and the number of lanes is reduced, they must merge by giving way to any vehicle that is ahead of them. However a driver who is moving from one lane, marked by broken lines (whether or not the lane is ending) to another must give way to any vehicle already travelling in the same direction.

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[JohnK]

Citibank is extremely funny.

I have been charged $40 overlimit fee on Readycredit account as their ATM allowed me to withdraw $60 more than my limit. :shock: This appears to have been a manual process 3 weeks later in the middle of statement period. Need to waste more time on a call to get my money back it seems.

 

[JessicaTam]

No wonder there is so much confusion, there is also the exception where the lanes are unmarked, such as exiting a toll booth, where the vehicle in front has right of way


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Unmarked lanes are actually a different situation, as opposed to being an exception. However your point is valid.

 

[markis10]

Unmarked lanes are actually a different situation, as opposed to being an exception. However your point is valid.

The OP did not mention anything about lanes being marked, hardly different.

A change in road rules several years ago means that if the indicating vehicle is in front of yours by any amount you have to let them in. This has liability implications if you don't get out the way fast enough and a collision ensues.

It was in fact the no lanes rule being incorporated into the National Road Rules that resulted in all those fridge magnets being sent out.

 

[JessicaTam]

The OP did not mention anything about lanes being marked, hardly different.

Medhead's original post referred to slip lanes (which are marked by definition) and changing lanes (also marked by definition). He did not refer to merging (which may occur where two lanes become one and there is no road marking indication as to which lane ends) or moving within a lane. Hence the subsequent discussion.

 

[anat0l]

OK clear up another thing which I see a lot.

Speeding.

It seems everyone speeds, or at least if you're not speeding, you're really not normal. Driving in the right or far right lane gives you the right to speed.

It's mostly things like being on a 60 km/h road and others are doing 70 km/h or the like. I think mainly - at least in Brisbane - if you can see there are no cameras or traps or cops, you just go as fast as you like, and... well, who is the wiser?

Naturally, when there is a speed camera coming up, everyone slows down, sometimes to 5-10 km/h under the speed limit, then promptly speeds up once past the camera.

Speeding is inevitable when you have to overtake. I wonder if anyone has ever been issued a speeding fine for a situation where they were attempting to overtake another vehicle.

Having had a speeding ticket before, I take a conscious effort to drive only at the speed limit, but I see several vehicles zoom right past.

So, what's the go? Everyone speeds and it's OK? (Not a cynical question, genuine here...)

 

[drron]

The situation I get annoyed at travelling north of the Sunshine Coast on the Bruce highway is being stuck behind someone doing 10ks under the limit.Come to an overtaking lane and suddenly they are 10ks over the limit.What should you do?

 

[JessicaTam]

OK clear up another thing which I see a lot.

Speeding.

It seems everyone speeds, or at least if you're not speeding, you're really not normal. Driving in the right or far right lane gives you the right to speed.

It's mostly things like being on a 60 km/h road and others are doing 70 km/h or the like. I think mainly - at least in Brisbane - if you can see there are no cameras or traps or cops, you just go as fast as you like, and... well, who is the wiser?

Naturally, when there is a speed camera coming up, everyone slows down, sometimes to 5-10 km/h under the speed limit, then promptly speeds up once past the camera.

Speeding is inevitable when you have to overtake. I wonder if anyone has ever been issued a speeding fine for a situation where they were attempting to overtake another vehicle.

Having had a speeding ticket before, I take a conscious effort to drive only at the speed limit, but I see several vehicles zoom right past.

So, what's the go? Everyone speeds and it's OK? (Not a cynical question, genuine here...)

Speeding is illegal, regardless of whether you are overtaking or not. Although a police officer may exercise discretion when it comes to issuing a ticket in that circumstance.

 

[Robbi]

OK clear up another thing which I see a lot.

Speeding.

It seems everyone speeds, or at least if you're not speeding, you're really not normal. Driving in the right or far right lane gives you the right to speed.

It's mostly things like being on a 60 km/h road and others are doing 70 km/h or the like. I think mainly - at least in Brisbane - if you can see there are no cameras or traps or cops, you just go as fast as you like, and... well, who is the wiser?

Naturally, when there is a speed camera coming up, everyone slows down, sometimes to 5-10 km/h under the speed limit, then promptly speeds up once past the camera.

Speeding is inevitable when you have to overtake. I wonder if anyone has ever been issued a speeding fine for a situation where they were attempting to overtake another vehicle.

Having had a speeding ticket before, I take a conscious effort to drive only at the speed limit, but I see several vehicles zoom right past.

So, what's the go? Everyone speeds and it's OK? (Not a cynical question, genuine here...)

Bear in mind that speedos rarely read the same...same car with different tyres, same car with same tyres in different state of wear, different car with different tolerance built in....

My 60 is not likely to be your 60 or anyone else's....I am am aware of what my speedo calibration is and I routinely drive with an indication above the speed limit but at a speed that equates to 60km/h real world.... you sit there doing 60 on your speedo and see me speed past because you are really doing 53 when I am legitimately doing 60....

Then there's the real speeders who just don't care....

 

[Robbi]

Actually the opposite is true:



The exception to this relates to giving way to buses in the left lane.

I accept your quoted legislation....but it is not my understanding of the interpretation as it was widely publicised at the time as being who is in front has right of way when changing lanes or merging.

I'll see if I can find something when I return to the other side of the planet next week.

 

[erkpod]

According to NSW Police, it is World Sleep Day.I'm sure that anyone who has been in the workforce for more than 5 minutes can pick holes in their fatigue advice.

 

[medhead]

I accept your quoted legislation....but it is not my understanding of the interpretation as it was widely publicised at the time as being who is in front has right of way when changing lanes or merging.

I'll see if I can find something when I return to the other side of the planet next week.

The rule about the car in front only applies to what I know as zip merging. That is 2 lanes merging where the lane markings just stop. It does not apply to changing lanes, noting the bus exception. If there are road markings those still apply.

I should also add that the slip lane I was thinking about with my post actually has no markings at the end where it merges. So drivers have ~100m of marked lane to accelerate to 60kph and then they just need to be in front of the car in the next lane to get into the traffic. Then in the next 1.4 km find a gap and change lanes. How hard is it?

 

[JohnK]

Having had a speeding ticket before, I take a conscious effort to drive only at the speed limit, but I see several vehicles zoom right past.

People are morons.

I try to stick to speed limit. Going to SYD airport last Sunday got out of M5 tunnel onto Marsh St then Qantas Drive. This SUV accelerated from the first set of lights to get past me and proceeded to change lanes about 29 times and a few times went from outside lane to inside lane through middle lane in one go. They were only 1-2 cars in front of me 2kms later near entrance to domestic terminal.

Moron.

 

[anat0l]

Bear in mind that speedos rarely read the same...same car with different tyres, same car with same tyres in different state of wear, different car with different tolerance built in....

My 60 is not likely to be your 60 or anyone else's....I am am aware of what my speedo calibration is and I routinely drive with an indication above the speed limit but at a speed that equates to 60km/h real world.... you sit there doing 60 on your speedo and see me speed past because you are really doing 53 when I am legitimately doing 60....

That's not very comforting. How do you normally account for this / know what is the true speed you are doing? (Apart from finding a long length of track and getting someone to time you as you test your speedo)

 

[blackcat20]

That's not very comforting. How do you normally account for this / know what is the true speed you are doing? (Apart from finding a long length of track and getting someone to time you as you test your speedo)

Use a GPS.

 

[penegal]

The speeding vs going the speed limit issue is further compounded by the inaccuracy of car speedometers.

Many vehicles are calibrated on the side of caution, such that 100, may actually be closer to 92. This causes some complaints from drivers who speedometer registers closer to 97. The old Geelong Road in Melbourne (now a freeway) is a classic example where many cautious drivers hang in the left lane doing 87-90 with their cruise control, and other driver try to overtake them at 90-93. Meanwhile those with GPS speedometers and/or more accurate speedometers are frustrated with both lanes as they want to travel 95-97, or even the limit or just beyond (100).


FWIW, I tend to be happy driving safely and going the speed of other traffic. I am rarely in a hurry, after all - I am very important so people wait for me to arrive when I feel like it

 

[anat0l]

Use a GPS.

There would be slight concerns with the accuracy of the GPS, wouldn't there? (Or I guess you could use the GPS to measure the distance travelled at a constant speed then calculate the time required to drive it...)

 

[blackcat20]

The speeding vs going the speed limit issue is further compounded by the inaccuracy of car speedometers.

Many vehicles are calibrated on the side of caution, such that 100, may actually be closer to 92. This causes some complaints from drivers who speedometer registers closer to 97. The old Geelong Road in Melbourne (now a freeway) is a classic example where many cautious drivers hang in the left lane doing 87-90 with their cruise control, and other driver try to overtake them at 90-93. Meanwhile those with GPS speedometers and/or more accurate speedometers are frustrated with both lanes as they want to travel 95-97, or even the limit or just beyond (100).


FWIW, I tend to be happy driving safely and going the speed of other traffic. I am rarely in a hurry, after all - I am very important so people wait for me to arrive when I feel like it

Im one of those frustrated people who wants to do the speed limit (assuming appropriate conditions of course). I don't see the point of doing 80 or 90kmph when it's perfectly safe/legal to be doing 100.