The totally off-topic thread

[TheRealTMA]

A PhD wont get you Psych Registration. Master's does. The Academic world is a mystery.

LOL. Says it all if you ask me, on both accounts.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Has been this way for a while. It is also not that a masters is required. More that a masters is an easier pre-entry step. It is also possible to be admitted to a Masters without an honours degree (depending). The usual process being to enrol in a masters on an open ended topic. At the end of the first year of the masters the candidate does a presentation equivalent to confirmation of candidature in which they say "this topic is so much bigger than anticipated I'm expanding the topic". They apply to upgrade to a PhD. Examiners approve or otherwise.

As for the snobbery of UQ. The less I say the better. In my experience UQ has a false sense of superiority. Trying to teach people honours level physics by reading a data sheet. Please!

Not really. A Masters is a route for those who have not completed requirements for an honours or have not obtained an honours of sufficient grade.

I don't think it's a good idea to suggest enrolling for a Masters then 'upgrading'. One would waste a year, at least, and the topics covered are generally at a lower level to be completed in the time allotted which make it slightly harder to continue the project to a PhD qualification...

But let's move back to discussing wine.

 

[medhead]

Not really. A Masters is a route for those who have not completed requirements for an honours or have not obtained an honours of sufficient grade.

I don't think it's a good idea to suggest enrolling for a Masters then 'upgrading'. One would waste a year, at least, and the topics covered are generally at a lower level to be completed in the time allotted which make it slightly harder to continue the project to a PhD qualification...

But let's move back to discussing wine.

The premise being that the student has entered this process from day one to do a PhD. The masters topic is a red herring cut down version of the real study. They don't waste a year because that year counts towards the phd.

So I agree with your post. But it doesn't really reflect the idea.

Anyway, I can't talk. Gave up my environment/mining relate PhD when moving into a different industry. My supervisor recently told me I've progressed so far in career that a PhD would mean nothing. I think that was a kind thing to say. Mark me down as a waste of space masters type.

 

[TheRealTMA]

My supervisor recently told me I've progressed so far in career that a PhD would mean nothing. I think that was a kind thing to say. Mark me down as a waste of space masters type.

Consider your card marked, Master medhead!

I was going to say you'll always be 'a Master' / my Master to me ... but better not.

 

[Bindibuys]

Consider your card marked, Master medhead!

I was going to say you'll always be 'a Master' / my Master to me ... but better not.

How can medhead be the "master" when he wears the school uniform? (yes medhead, the joke still lives)

 

[medhead]

Consider your card marked, Master medhead!

I was going to say you'll always be 'a Master' / my Master to me ... but better not.

A master to your Dr who?

 

[TheRealTMA]

A master to your Dr who?

Actually, I did take Tegan to a party in Brisbane once. She left with some fellow carrying a towel.

 

[medhead]

Actually, I did take Tegan to a party in Brisbane once. She left with some fellow carrying a towel.

Tegan!? Damn. Should've applied myself. Did meet her last year in Melbourne.

 

[OATEK]

I voted using iVote before I left for the UK. That's a great system. Hadn't heard much from either side to be honest.

Yes, its very easy. We have voted using iVote as we fly out tomorrow to Europe.

 

[penegal]

Sorry to hear of your woes with Centrelink blackcat20. I haven't had much personal involvement with the Australian government's organs of social security, but the stories of customer experience certainly don't lend one to the prospect.

Here's hoping you don't have to deal with them for much longer (e.g. you find a new job).

 

[blackcat20]

Sorry to hear of your woes with Centrelink blackcat20. I haven't had much personal involvement with the Australian government's organs of social security, but the stories of customer experience certainly don't lend one to the prospect.

Here's hoping you don't have to deal with them for much longer (e.g. you find a new job).

Thanks. Lucky I've got enough wine to keep me going for a while

 

[TheRealTMA]

How can medhead be the "master" when he wears the school uniform? (yes medhead, the joke still lives)

Sorry, your personal peccadillos are relevant? ( Sorry again probably not PC.)

 

[BadgerBoi]

I voted using iVote before I left for the UK. That's a great system. Hadn't heard much from either side to be honest.

+1
I registered for iVote before I left Sydney and voted from the comfort of my apartment in Paris. I love the system, the sooner they bring it in for everyone the better.
I already knew how I was going to vote, I educate myself for these things rather than wait to be spoon-fed, but then I take my responsibility as a voter seriously.

 

[erkpod]

I voted using iVote before I left for the UK. That's a great system. Hadn't heard much from either side to be honest.

I sent off postal votes for mum & I the other day. Do they send us the democracy sausages back to us in the mail?

Not the most stunning lead up by either party.

 

[JohnM]

Strange that a Masters are required for your 'lot' now? Not for us. An honours degree was/is all that was required.

"To meet the Graduate School admissions requirements for a PhD you would need to provide evidence of one of the following:

• Subject to approval of the Dean, UQ Graduate School, the University accepts qualifications equivalent to a UQ bachelor's degree with honours class IIA or better, which is the standard basis of admission. "

..."

Never seen the real point of a Masters actually. We considered a Masters as more suitable for those who don't have the time or dedication for a PhD and those who are more doing part time research while fuilly employed by external company or government department.

The old term 'Mickey Mouse' comes to mind...

 

[JohnM]

Shopping done - 3 pairs of Icebreaker Anatomical Boxer Briefs en-route from Amazon USA.

Hopefully you've selected three sizes too small - squeek .

 

[anat0l]

Strange that a Masters are required for your 'lot' now? Not for us. An honours degree was/is all that was required.

"To meet the Graduate School admissions requirements for a PhD you would need to provide evidence of one of the following:

• Subject to approval of the Dean, UQ Graduate School, the University accepts qualifications equivalent to a UQ bachelor's degree with honours class IIA or better, which is the standard basis of admission. "

..."

Never seen the real point of a Masters actually. We considered a Masters as more suitable for those who don't have the time or dedication for a PhD and those who are more doing part time research while fuilly employed by external company or government department.

Some PhDs require Masters, whilst others just require Honours. And, if you are like me who did a degree where the Honours qualification was built into the GPA rather than a further dedicated year, you just need to finish the Bachelors with a high GPA. The rules are a function of institution and discipline, and outside Australia it varies again considerably. I had to explain this difference to my current boss since I didn't have a Masters qualification when applying for my job.

In theory, Masters are shorter studies than PhDs and require less burden to actually conceive something completely new compared to PhDs. This is why some people perceive some Masters as basically a giant collective investigation or running an old experiment in a slightly new application. Now I shouldn't be unfair to the Masters students/graduates because that can still be a lot to do in a two year time frame, but anyway. For those that have had to orally defend their theses, the differences between Masters and PhD defences are quite defined.

Keep in mind too that there are coursework Masters rather than research Masters. There's no coursework PhDs.

I've never really heard too many cases of where a Masters is used as a jump board to get to a PhD. I've definitely heard cases where a Masters research case has been analysed as large and novel enough that it is upgraded to a PhD; it's not common, though. There is also a pathway where a PhD is commenced and then downgraded to a research Masters, or in extreme cases, a PhD is submitted for examination and the examiner returns a recommendation of, "Insufficient for award of PhD, but may be sufficient for award of Masters".

 

[JohnK]

I am working at one of the polling places - so not allowed to voice an opinion. (there is my accommodation in Dubai paid for by working that day.)

Still none the wiser.

I may go and visit a clairvoyant....

 

[BadgerBoi]

Still none the wiser.

I may go and visit a clairvoyant....

If you don't fee qualified to vote then just don't. Either vote informal or don't vote at all and pay the fine. But it's easy enough to educate yourself about who is who and what their policies are. I'd be embarrassed to come out on a public forum and say that I couldn't be coughd to figure such a simple thing out for myself.

 

[anat0l]

If you don't fee qualified to vote then just don't. Either vote informal or don't vote at all and pay the fine. But it's easy enough to educate yourself about who is who and what their policies are. I'd be embarrassed to come out on a public forum and say that I couldn't be coughd to figure such a simple thing out for myself.

Well there is Google (assuming political propaganda has not spread to full control and censure of the internet), but assuming someone who would prefer to live underneath the proverbial rock as far as politics go, the irony would be in feigning an interest to find out such details when one is not endeavoured to make a conscious, informed decision in the first place.

Nothing really to be embarrassed about, unless the party being outed to, to put it rather bluntly, gave a political damn.