The totally off-topic thread

[medhead]

Without defending the father he didn't kidnap the children. The mother allowed them to travel to Lebanon with an assurance they would later return to Australia. He reneged and refused to return them, but never kidnapped them. A reprehensible act but not kidnapping.

I suspect you're correct about the future of the daughter.

He is holding the children unlawfully, against their will and contrary to the commitment that he made. It's the same thing as kidnapping. The allowance to travel was based on the promised return. I doubt he ever intended to return the children, which means permission would never have been given to travel. Therefore, he kidnapped the children through deception and lies.

It is a disgusting situation, especially for the daughter. Reprehensible acts by the father. The legal system, via corruption was never going to protect the children. I see no justification for attacking people for trying to correct the situation. The only thing that is wrong is getting caught. Besides the mother being stupid enough to let the kids go, and to not change her email address password.

 

[blackcat20]

Without defending the father he didn't kidnap the children. The mother allowed them to travel to Lebanon with an assurance they would later return to Australia. He reneged and refused to return them, but never kidnapped them. A reprehensible act but not kidnapping.

I suspect you're correct about the future of the daughter.

Refusing to return them is kidnapping.

 

[coco50]

Seek today, Jetstar looking for a CIO and Qantas a web developer

We have a baby duckling that would like to be a web developer.

 

[drron]

So the 60 minutes crew go back home to their families and children whilst the mother gives up custody permanently.
Justice is done.:evil::evil:
For the record the mother had been given custody by the Family Court.The father is a lawbreaker.

 

[Pushka]

Does Lebanon recognise Australian Family Court rulings though?

I dont think the father's action constitutes kidnapping. In Lebanon he is considered their legal parent.

I heard today the mother has stayed behind to spend time with the children.

I really hope Tara disappears from TV for a while. Ultimately she has got away with it lightly.

The only people I feel sorry for are the kids. The adults have all behaved badly.

 

[OATEK]

Refusing to return them is kidnapping.

It is probably detain for advantage or something similar.

 

[medhead]

Does Lebanon recognise Australian Family Court rulings though?

Precisely why extra-judicial action is warranted. It seems many are just upset at how that action was purchased. Funnily enough they were perfectly happy with "The Ends justify the Means" in other recent circumstances.

I dont think the father's action constitutes kidnapping. In Lebanon he is considered their legal parent.

I do.

He removed the children by deception and refuses to return them in accordance with the commitment he made and the legally binding ruling in Australia that he accepted. If you feel sorry for the children then his behaviour needs to be condemned not justified with excuses about legal parents in Lebanon. The children would not be in this situation if this man had any honour - something that is apparently valued in the middle east.

the man has now bartered his children against $500000+. No doubt when the girl is 12 he'll sell her off to the highest bidder.

I heard today the mother has stayed behind to spend time with the children.

I really hope Tara disappears from TV for a while. Ultimately she has got away with it lightly.

The only people I feel sorry for are the kids. The adults have all behaved badly.

Never seeing her children again is getting off lightly? Ok then... Seems like another statement in support of the father.

 

[Pushka]

If we can believe him, the father has received no payments. The couple are not divorced.

I couldn't care less about either of the parents. Did the mother think snatching the kids off a street was a good thing? Do the ends justify the means?

 

[OATEK]

I really hope Tara disappears from TV for a while. Ultimately she has got away with it lightly.

The only people I feel sorry for are the kids. The adults have all behaved badly.

Never seeing her children again is getting off lightly? Ok then... Seems like another statement in support of the father.

I read it as a criticism of Tara Brown, rather than support for the father.

 

[medhead]

If we can believe him, the father has received no payments. The couple are not divorced.

I couldn't care less about either of the parents. Did the mother think snatching the kids off a street was a good thing? Do the ends justify the means?

That was my question, it was rather rhetorical. But it should be viewed in the context of some of the people attacking the mother for taking extra-judicial action were also happy for anything to be done to achieve their desired outcome in relation to other matters.

Everyone is saying he got paid. He said, and I paraphase, 60 minutes haven't paid me anything at this stage. Ask the question in a week or a month.

I read it as a criticism of Tara Brown, rather than support for the father.

I don't, it's justifying the father's position. It is belittling the mother's position - "she got off lightly". That implies the mother deserved a much greater punishment for acting as a normal mother.

 

[JohnK]

$97,000 is plenty enough for me to play with when it is unexpected. And Yes to the runner and yes to the EA. Not Secretaries anymore.

Not worth the potential trouble it could bring. Would have to be a substantially higher amount for me to take any risk.

 

[coco50]

Precisely why extra-judicial action is warranted. It seems many are just upset at how that action was purchased. Funnily enough they were perfectly happy with "The Ends justify the Means" in other recent circumstances.



I do.

He removed the children by deception and refuses to return them in accordance with the commitment he made and the legally binding ruling in Australia that he accepted. If you feel sorry for the children then his behaviour needs to be condemned not justified with excuses about legal parents in Lebanon. The children would not be in this situation if this man had any honour - something that is apparently valued in the middle east.

the man has now bartered his children against $500000+. No doubt when the girl is 12 he'll sell her off to the highest bidder.



Never seeing her children again is getting off lightly? Ok then... Seems like another statement in support of the father.

The question, the answer to which I haven't seen is: Under what circumstances were the children allowed to leave Australia? Usually, Immigration will contact both the residential and non-residential parent to seek permission for minors to leave the country. If the mother willingly allowed the children to travel to Lebanon, she is extremely naive.

 

[JohnK]

Without defending the father he didn't kidnap the children. The mother allowed them to travel to Lebanon with an assurance they would later return to Australia. He reneged and refused to return them, but never kidnapped them. A reprehensible act but not kidnapping.

I suspect you're correct about the future of the daughter.

For most people I think there is no doubt.

The father first kidnapped the children and then when the mother tried to take her children back he bribed her and the 60 minutes crew.

I really feel sorry for the children as they will grow up in a place they don't want to be and without their mother. Clearly the interests of the children are not high on his priority list. More like the selfishness of his mother. A family with a rich reputation but without the finances required to be rich.

Sad indeed.

 

[Pushka]

I read it as a criticism of Tara Brown, rather than support for the father.

Yes. Thankyou - I missed that in medheads comment of my post. IT WAS TARA I said who got off lightly - I didnt even mention the mother in that paragraph!

The mother has paid hellishly.

 

[Pushka]

The question, the answer to which I haven't seen is: Under what circumstances were the children allowed to leave Australia? Usually, Immigration will contact both the residential and non-residential parent to seek permission for minors to leave the country. If the mother willingly allowed the children to travel to Lebanon, she is extremely naive.

I mentioned earlier that I had read the mother originally destroyed the kids passports as she did not want them to return to Lebanon due to safety. (I believe they had been living there). Then she got them new passports in order for them to visit their father. The father did not kidnap them from Australia. He did not return them.

 

[JohnK]

The father did not kidnap them from Australia. He did not return them.

Isn't not returning them the same as kidnap?

Holding someone against their will is also kidnap?

 

[docjames]

Brilliant

I cant seem to open that page.

 

[Pushka]

Isn't not returning them the same as kidnap?

Holding someone against their will is also kidnap?

No. He is their legal father.

 

[JohnM]

I cant seem to open that page.

Me neither, even if I log in to Flyertalk access is denied.

 

[JohnK]

No. He is their legal father.

And does not have custody.

But let's not have any respect for the court ruling in Australia. We'll go and get a more favourable court ruling somewhere else.

Yep. Kidnap is the right word.