This doesn't surprise me - Qantas kick off The Veronicas

[Quickstatus]

Rotator cuff injuries or relatedshoulder injuries are not mitigated by strength

 

[p--and--t]

She asked the nearest FA (early 50s male and visually fit as a scrub bull)

To assume he was as fit as a scrub bull is not one you or I can make. Any crew member could have a long-term back or shoulder injury and surviving the shift on pain killers. Similar problems assuming there is nothing wrong to the visual eye for a person parking in a disabled spot who actually has a legitimate reason. It is the doctors and specialists that decide whether a person gets a permit to park there or not.

 

[Daver6]

Ok...fair call everyone. I didn't think that through. However, I really doubt it would be 50 bags per person per sector though.

 

[DC3]

... If you can't look after your own possessions on board an aircraft then check them in, it's really that simple.

Yes. If it’s too heavy to lift, then check it in. Just carry a little purse/murse with you if needed.

 

[drron]

So if someone with dwarfism gets a flight they should always check all their bags?
Sorry it is why I and some other people will always help someone a little less tall put their luggage in the overheads.

That said we were behind 2 women in the premium check in line at SYD this week when the each were going to carry on a parcel each just under a metre tall with sqare ends about 10cm each.It certainly did look heavy by the way they carried them so the agent made them weigh it.The 2 bags combined weighed 50KG.Must have been lead.So quite rightly those had to be checked in then they were up for extra luggage fees.Stupidly they decided to argue.so the supervisor came out and told them check in it is and now you have to take them to the oversized luggage.Karma.

 

[DC3]

Just plan ahead without getting over-complicated. Thousands negotiate these things every day, good Samaritans notwithstanding. As they say ... it’s not rocket science.

 

[kevrosmith]

I'm not a personal trainer or gym-expert whatsoever, but I would've thought lifting weights over your shoulders repetitively would be classed as fitness exercise, and if you are doing it rather frequently, you'd be likely to improve and strengthen the muscle, rather than have it deteriorate... isn't this the principle behind weight training...? How to start a weight-training program "Weight training provides a stress to the muscles that causes them to adapt and get stronger, similar to the way aerobic conditioning strengthens your heart." I would've thought most injuries sustained in a gym environment are due to poor technique, not necessarily a poor-starting base of physicality.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I'm not a personal trainer or gym-expert whatsoever, but I would've thought lifting weights over your shoulders repetitively would be classed as fitness exercise, and if you are doing it rather frequently, you'd be likely to improve and strengthen the muscle, rather than have it deteriorate... isn't this the principle behind weight training...? How to start a weight-training program "Weight training provides a stress to the muscles that causes them to adapt and get stronger, similar to the way aerobic conditioning strengthens your heart." I would've thought most injuries sustained in a gym environment are due to poor technique, not necessarily a poor-starting base of physicality.

Exactly right. Your last sentence sums it up.

Lifting bags, wearing a uniform, in a confined cabin environment, is unlikely to allow the right technique to protect and strengthen muscles.

 

[p--and--t]

I'm not a personal trainer or gym-expert whatsoever, but I would've thought lifting weights over your shoulders repetitively would be classed as fitness exercise, and if you are doing it rather frequently, you'd be likely to improve and strengthen the muscle, rather than have it deteriorate... isn't this the principle behind weight training...? How to start a weight-training program "Weight training provides a stress to the muscles that causes them to adapt and get stronger, similar to the way aerobic conditioning strengthens your heart." I would've thought most injuries sustained in a gym environment are due to poor technique, not necessarily a poor-starting base of physicality.

If unsupervised in a gym and starting from scratch lifting weights without markers on them to tell you the weight and possibly not being shown how to lift properly and randomly going from 1kg to 12kg or more and back randomly with unusual clumsy shaped objects to a height that may not be within your reach probably wouldn't do much for your form, muscle strengthening or your tolerance to injury.

 

[SOPOOR]

Everybody is different physical make up. You could have perfect form and still get injured lifting up a 1kg pack of sugar if its done repeatedly over years

 

[TheInsider]

I love how people are still blaming crew. Where is the personal responsibility of taking care of your own bags? If it's too heavy to lift or you can't get it in the locker, then check it in. It's not like most of these people will actually need their carry on bag during their short flight anyway.

 

[docjames]

It's not like most of these people will actually need their carry on bag during their short flight anyway.

I doubt that many are packing 10kg for use in-flight.

They’d be carrying it onboard so they don’t have to wait for the checked luggage at the other end which can often add a solid 45m to the journey.

If checked luggage reliably came within 15m of gate arrival, i’d expect more pax would check in their luggage. Remembering that some will be doing a “day-trip” so adding 45m at either end of the journey (SYD usually faster but still often 30m+) makes a long day even longer......

 

[kevrosmith]

I don't think people are blaming the crew, I think they're just highlighting the discrepancies and inconsistencies of some FA's attitudes, and why we aren't surprised there was an altercation in this instance, in addition to or regardless of the attitude/response of the passengers.

 

[drron]

Sure my carry on is not needed on a short flight but I am not going to pack my computer,medications and important documents in my checked luggage.

 

[SOPOOR]

In todays news theyre milking the attention and travelling virgin and making sure everyone hears about it

 

[DC3]

In todays news theyre milking the attention and travelling virgin

Ambassadors for VA now?

 

[kevrosmith]

Is the 50 bags a flight mentioned earlier actual or theoretical? I can't say that I've ever seen FAs required to assist with that many passengers' bags. Given a B783 takes a maximum of 174 pax, does that mean that at least 1 in 3 passengers need assistance with lifting their bags? I'm a bit confused as to how those numbers are arrived at. (Oh, I guess at least 2 of those lifts are the crew lifting and retrieving their own case... gee I wonder what the reasons they don't check those bags are... maybe they don't like hanging around the baggage carousel waiting for luggage either...). (I'd also place a million dollar bet a majority of their bags aren't under whatever kg weight allowance they're permitted either...)

 

[DC3]

Well, at least the Veronicas may have now moved on, carry-on all sorted now on their new bestie airline.

 

[Quickstatus]

I guess at least 2 of those lifts are the crew lifting and retrieving their own case

I don’t precisely recall where crew stow their carryons but I don’t think it’s overhead

 

[p--and--t]

I don’t precisely recall where crew stow their carryons but I don’t think it’s overhead

I am not in the industry - these are my observations from various flights.

On domestic routes, many crews do not have carryons other than a small handbag or manbag as they are on multi short sectors on the golden triangle or similar and return to their home base each night

Where they do take carry-ons, it depends on the configuration of the plane. Sometimes they store overhead, sometimes in a locker. There are sometimes specific overhead bins with smaller/half size doors on some planes that seem to be reserved for crew and marked as same. Other times they seem to put their carry-ons in the locker that contains J passengers coat hanging space.

My observation is on domestic sectors they are usually quite small wheelies. While looks can be deceiving, they don't look to be heavy. I would suspect, at least domestically, as seasoned travellers their luggage contains a change of clothing and wet pack.

When I have travelled internationally, I have very often stood next to crew members at the carousel as they wait for their checked in luggage just like the passengers.

Pilots always seem to carry an additional briefcase which I have presumed are maps or manuals or whatever which are taken into the coughpit.