Tokyo Haneda slot - 2025

[markis10]

They need to reduce A330 flying (somewhere) to allow the planned cabin upgrade. They could also resume service to KIX or CTS. There is nothing saying they need (or want) to maintain a 4th daily AU-TYO flight once the MEL and BNE flights shift to HND.

Qantas has announced cessation of their Korea flights and reduction in the BNE-LAX utilisation mid 2025 when the Reno’s start. Qantas has said something about gaining the slot

Qantas International CEO Cam Wallace said the airline is “very pleased at today’s IASC determination”.

“With this third frequency, we plan to be the only airline to connect Australia’s three major east coast cities with Haneda Airport – right in the heart of downtown Tokyo,” he stated.

“Now that we have approval from the IASC, we will apply for slots at Haneda for flights from Melbourne and Brisbane and, subject to this process, plan to go on sale towards the end of the year.

Once they get official approval for the flights we will see timetable changes including the NRT SYD flights, probably next month.

 

[Himeno]

LOL, we didn’t have to stay at the airport for our recent trip, we left our hotel at 6, were in the lounge playing with the beer robot by 7. Given we were on a week long trip we kept our bodies on Syd time which was 8 when we left the hotel so no biggie. HND was a breeze at that time of the morning in all aspects.

HND has seasonal slot issues for departures in the morning. An increase in domestic morning flights required a time change for the morning QF departure, which has been around 0830 for some periods and before 0700 at others.

Departures at HND before 7am can be annoying as the trains don't start until around 5am and check in requirements for pre 7am flights often mean that you need to arrive at the airport before the trains start.
The HND night bus network has not resumed its pre covid operation levels, requiring many people with early morning flights to either arrive at HND on the last train and overnight at the airport, book a night at a nearby hotel or get an overly expensive taxi.

 

[elanshin]

Perhaps but QFs main market would be Aussies, Id expect the Japanese locals more likely to fly ANA or JAL.

If one is going to arrive exhausted having been up for over 24 hours straight; then you end up dozing on on day one of that tour.

Watching QF25 boarding right now. Its about 1/3 JP and 2/3 Aussies.

I imagine part of it is that QF is also on OW which for the JL crowd, if the one JL departure doesn't suit them, they take QF.

Perhaps the day time QF59 flight and evening Q26 has more aussies and less JP due to it overlapping closer to the JL flight.

 

[DC3]

Once they get official approval for the flights we will see timetable changes including the NRT SYD flights, probably next month.

 

[DC3]

This thread has gone rather quiet. No information on when the new timings will start?

 

[Himeno]

This thread has gone rather quiet. No information on when the new timings will start?

Nothing as yet. All we know thus far is that Qantas got the slot, that it is available from 25 Feb, and that the flight changes will be in place by 30 Apr.
We only have the proposed flight times that Qantas sent to IASC in their application for the slot VA handed back.

 

[elanshin]

I wonder if this delay is more QF sorting out their contracts to shift more resources from NRT to HND.

 

[DC3]

I wonder if this delay is more QF sorting out their contracts to shift more resources from NRT to HND.

Crickets from QF about confirmation of proposed changes

 

[Kateag2]

Crickets from QF about confirmation of proposed changes

As a customer with tickets booked to / from tokyo from Brisbane in April, I hope they let us know soon (however given Qantas's current performance, customer needs are their last priority). The change will have significant impact to our connecting flights to and from brisbane and we will most likely require an additional night at haneda airport if the changes do occur as well as an additonal night in Brisbane on the way home.

 

[serfty]

As a customer with tickets booked to / from tokyo from Brisbane in April,

Welcome to aff @Kateag2...

Yes, I too are waiting for more information as well as confirmation of changes with some travel I have booked for June.

 

[DC3]

As a customer with tickets booked to / from tokyo from Brisbane in April, I hope they let us know soon …

Similar situation here, with travel in early April.

I’m not clear on why the delay in confirming the flight changes, seeing as how the proposal was announced by QF over three months ago.

 

[DC3]

... The change will have significant impact to our connecting flights to and from brisbane and we will most likely require an additional night at haneda airport …

And welcome to AFF

 

[Himeno]

Similar situation here, with travel in early April.

I’m not clear on why the delay in confirming the flight changes, seeing as how the proposal was announced by QF over three months ago.

Possibly getting HND slots at the times they want (there are some issues with morning day slots during the morning domestic peak as seen with the variable time recently on QF26) and possible ground handling contract issues.
They currently have 2 HND flights and 2 NRT flights daily. That's going to 3 HND flights and either 1 or 0 NRT flights.

 

[elanshin]

Possibly getting HND slots at the times they want (there are some issues with morning day slots during the morning domestic peak as seen with the variable time recently on QF26) and possible ground handling contract issues.
They currently have 2 HND flights and 2 NRT flights daily. That's going to 3 HND flights and either 1 or 0 NRT flights.

Wouldnt the slot timing current already be held by VA in the evening?

Getting various things wound up at NRT might be part of it though - that being said they still have JQ ops, unless JQ ops uses different contractors.

 

[Himeno]

Wouldnt the slot timing current already be held by VA in the evening?

Getting various things wound up at NRT might be part of it though - that being said they still have JQ ops, unless JQ ops uses different contractors.

I think QF uses JL staff at both TYO airports? JL don't have anyone over in NRT T3. I assume JQ uses whoever GK does.

After a bank of JL flights depart NRT around 1830, they have nothing besides the 2 QF flights and JL flights to YVR and HNL.
QF80 and JL18 (YVR) depart at the same time (1920)
QF62 is out at 2000 while JL784 (HNL) leaves at 2130.
Without the QF flights, JL wouldn't need nearly as many people rostered on after the 1830 departures.

These are the proposed ground times in HND from the QF IASC submission.
0520 - 0650 (QF25 - QF62)
2000 - 2155 (QF61 - QF80)
2015 - 2200 (QF79 - QF26)

VA currently has the same times at the proposed 61/80 times.
QF may be trying to improve the proposed QF62 time, getting the ~0800 time back that they had every day for QF26 when they went SYD double daily instead of the current variable time anywhere between 0650 and 0815.