Tokyo Haneda slot - how will Virgin Operate it?

[aus_flyer]

I may have missed earlier discussion on this... but how on earth are full 737s going to make the distance?

 

[HS-TQE]

I may have missed earlier discussion on this... but how on earth are full 737s going to make the distance?

Batik Malaysia's 737-8 MAX regularly makes the trip between KUL and MEL non-stop, and that's longer than CNS-HND.

Batik Malaysia are are also a 'Value-Orientated (tm)' carrier like VA 2.0 with recliner J and LCC Y.

SQ also runs services between CNS and SIN a few times a week with the 737-8 MAX in a Premium config (with J flatbeds).

 

[justinbrett]

I may have missed earlier discussion on this... but how on earth are full 737s going to make the distance?

I don't know about full, but it is within the upper limits of the range.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

I know (I guess) I can work it out from a credit calculator, but why oh why can't the Virgin booking portal specify the credits and points earned when trying to consider booking PER-BNE-HND.Seems amateurish tbh.

Not only that route, for for every VAi route, there is no mention of a VFF points or SC earnt rate, under the fares.
Like the impression, despite the fact they are flying to some close by int airports, that they are not flying to any int airports.
And yet in big wordings, on their website, they can mention earn bonus points for flying Aust airports to anywhere int (internationally).
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Also the 3-crew operation on Ansett's initial order of 5x 767-200s, when everyone else ordered the standard 2-crew configuration.

Aye, fond memories.
Did get to fly one of them once, as a pax in Y.
MEL/SYD - ADL, remember using the very high staircase to come down from plane to ground level, at the old ADL dom terminal with the auto circulating doors.

 

[BNEFlyer]

I may have missed earlier discussion on this... but how on earth are full 737s going to make the distance?

FI fly their 737-8 Max's on KEF-SEA and KEF-MCO, both 7+ hours.

 

[HS-TQE]

Going slightly OT, Icelandair (also partially owned by Bain) are also a 'Value Orientated (tm)' carrier in the same vein as Batik and VA 2.0. J recliners and Y LCC service.

Icelandair also have one more J row than Batik and 2 two more J rows than VA 2.0 (4 rows of J all up).

Icelandair's cheapest fares in Y are seat-only, same as VA 2.0 and Batik. They also have the 'Pre-Book Your Meal' in Y options like the other Hybrids and most International LCCs.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Snow or blizzard or typhoon for HND could make the trip longer, or cancelled, or might need for the plane to land somewhere for "emergency av gas intake", eh?
At least they might call into MNL if they need to, considering av gas only.

 

[Digicola]

Snow or blizzard or typhoon for HND could make the trip longer, or cancelled, or might need for the plane to land somewhere for "emergency av gas intake", eh?
At least they might call into MNL if they need to, considering av gas only.

I’d say GUM and SPN would be more like it. Would have to be a mighty big storm otherwise, in which case they’d probably fly back to HND/CNS.

 

[elanshin]

Snow or blizzard or typhoon for HND could make the trip longer, or cancelled, or might need for the plane to land somewhere for "emergency av gas intake", eh?
At least they might call into MNL if they need to, considering av gas only.

Typhoon for HND possibly would rule NRT out too but generally speaking Typhoons are well tracked and most airlines just don't fly that day. It's not like typhoons appear out of the blue.
Even if a blizzard appears out of nowhere (rare for Tokyo), theres alternates with NRT or even NGO. Heck even a mayday low fuel will get you slotted in first.

 

[drron]

Typhoon for HND possibly would rule NRT out too but generally speaking Typhoons are well tracked and most airlines just don't fly that day. It's not like typhoons appear out of the blue.
Even if a blizzard appears out of nowhere (rare for Tokyo), theres alternates with NRT or even NGO. Heck even a mayday low fuel will get you slotted in first.

Typhoon season in Japan is May to October but most hit in August/September.
We have landed at NRT in a typhoon -scary - and taken off from there in one-much easier.
However Typhoons do not cover the whole of Japan and particularly rare in Hokkaido so when we there in one of the major cyclones flights were diverting to CTS.

 

[jpp42]

Snow or blizzard or typhoon for HND could make the trip longer, or cancelled, or might need for the plane to land somewhere for "emergency av gas intake", eh?
At least they might call into MNL if they need to, considering av gas only.

Plenty of other airports in Japan like KIX that would be a likely be an option if HND is snowed in and you somehow didn't know at departure time.

But I'm chuckling at the idea of a 737 using "avgas" - for those that don't know, that's the lingo for aviation gasoline, ie petrol used by piston engines.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Avgas, I found out in the meantime is not used anymore in the modern day jet age.
Ta for the tip any way.

 

[Vic]

I'm pretty sure there are still piston engine aircraft getting around.

 

[Quickstatus]

Avgas, I found out in the meantime is not used anymore in the modern day jet age.

Still used for the non turbine engines - Cessna, Pipers

JetA/A1 (more of less kerosene) used by the turbines - 737, Saab34. M1 Abrams tank

 

[justinbrett]

Still used for the non turbine engines - Cessna, Pipers

JetA/A1 (more of less kerosene) used by the turbines - 737, Saab34. M1 Abrams tank

Military aircraft use JP8. I would have thought Abrahams use that.

You can turn Jet A1 into JP8 with additives.

 

[Quickstatus]

Abrahams use that

They can burn just about anything including diesel

 

[justinbrett]

They can burn just about anything including diesel

Yep, but JP8 is their normal fuel.

 

[OZDUCK]

Yep, but JP8 is their normal fuel.

The Australian Army uses diesel as the normal fuel for their Abrams tanks.

"A further difference between the two Abrams operators is that the Australian Army runs the AGT1500 engine on diesel, where US forces use Aviation Turbine (AVTUR) fuel."

TAE cuts Abrams engine overhaul times - Australian Defence Magazine

TAE cuts Abrams engine overhaul times

www.australiandefence.com.au

 

[justinbrett]

The Australian Army uses diesel as the normal fuel for their Abrams tanks.

"A further difference between the two Abrams operators is that the Australian Army runs the AGT1500 engine on diesel, where US forces use Aviation Turbine (AVTUR) fuel."

TAE cuts Abrams engine overhaul times - Australian Defence Magazine

TAE cuts Abrams engine overhaul times

www.australiandefence.com.au

Doesn't surprise me, it's hard enough getting JP8 to our fighter jets, since we don't make aviation fuel in Australia.

From what I understand, the tanks do not perform as well with diesel - they are optimised to run on JP8.

 

[Vic]

Doesn't surprise me, it's hard enough getting JP8 to our fighter jets, since we don't make aviation fuel in Australia.

From what I understand, the tanks do not perform as well with diesel - they are optimised to run on JP8.

It's actaully about supply chains. All 'A' vehicles in the Australian army use diesel, as do many 'B' vehicles.
Gotta Resup a combined arms group? - Diesel for all.