US Dividend Miles - Oneworld Award Booking Questions and General Discussion

[MEL_Traveller]

Doing some planning for a Europe Trip and wondering...

CX J Versus BA F HKG >> LHR

Would the difference be that BIG, understanding the CX J product is pretty good and either way both flights work from a connection point of view.


Advise.

Good question a a bit of a tough call. It really depends on the type of aircraft, departure time and whether you have status.

The soft product offering on BA F will be better than CX J - if (and it is a bit of an 'if') you can get it. A lot of the services on BA are provided by status - OWE are served first and get first choice for everything. BA F is under-catered and if you have no status it is a real possibility your first and even second choice of meal will not be available. Dining on demand? Good luck, but you might find limited food left by the time you want something.

Hard product will be superior on BA - bedding, PJs and everything else. But if it is a midnight departure for example, it is a close decision to pay fuel surcharges for BA when you can eat in the lounge for CX and take your own pair of PJs.

 

[diningdecadence]

please don't flame me for my laziness but SYD-AKL F is out even if QF marketed right? keen to see bling air and use the shower

slightly OT for this thread - i had a play with AA for one month, they don't want a bar of it either which i think it related. is that correct?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

please don't flame me for my laziness but SYD-AKL F is out even if QF marketed right? keen to see bling air and use the shower

slightly OT for this thread - i had a play with AA for one month, they don't want a bar of it either which i think it related. is that correct?

EK is not part of oneworld, and doesn't have partner status with USDM (or even AA if I'm correct)

code share flights are also usually excluded from any award redemptions.

 

[smit0847]

This is all the hypothetical day-dreaming of a bored office worker, but in absence of the GUM ‘deal’ (RIP), what would be the maximum amount of flying you could do on QF in Australia/NZ to still fit within the tightened rules of a 30k intra-zone J award given the generous size of the region and QF’s extensive network? I know people say ‘PER-AKL’ is the longest you can go but what do you think you could realistically get away with if you picked an origin and destination as far away as possible (assuming the availability was there and you didn’t really backtrack – QF dom J availability is usually pretty good).

I was thinking AKL to BME would probably be the furthest two points so theoretically AKL-MEL-PER-BME(dest)-DRW-BNE-CBR/ADL-SYD-AKL might be possible?

That’s still an impressive 9,000 miles and if you overnighted at some of the places you’d get to see a fair bit of Australia. I think you’d run into far less problems than the GUM deal as you’re not transiting a more expensive region and I’m guessing MPM is pretty generous?

Just some food for thought – there’s good value to be found in every FF program!

 

[burmans]

This is all the hypothetical day-dreaming of a bored office worker, but in absence of the GUM ‘deal’ (RIP), what would be the maximum amount of flying you could do on QF in Australia/NZ to still fit within the tightened rules of a 30k intra-zone J award given the generous size of the region and QF’s extensive network? I know people say ‘PER-AKL’ is the longest you can go but what do you think you could realistically get away with if you picked an origin and destination as far away as possible (assuming the availability was there and you didn’t really backtrack – QF dom J availability is usually pretty good).

I was thinking AKL to BME would probably be the furthest two points so theoretically AKL-MEL-PER-BME(dest)-DRW-BNE-CBR/ADL-SYD-AKL might be possible?

That’s still an impressive 9,000 miles and if you overnighted at some of the places you’d get to see a fair bit of Australia. I think you’d run into far less problems than the GUM deal as you’re not transiting a more expensive region and I’m guessing MPM is pretty generous?

Just some food for thought – there’s good value to be found in every FF program!

Interesting thought! Back when US was in * I did some similar searching, saw a RAR - GUM option on United that routed via both Australia and Asia (with long ~20 hour stopovers) but would have still been South Pacific to South Pacfic price.

I also thought I saw or heard mention of intra Aus/NZ flights that routed via SIN. But it was a while ago and havent searched recently.

 

[smit0847]

Interesting thought! Back when US was in * I did some similar searching, saw a RAR - GUM option on United that routed via both Australia and Asia (with long ~20 hour stopovers) but would have still been South Pacific to South Pacfic price.

I also thought I saw or heard mention of intra Aus/NZ flights that routed via SIN. But it was a while ago and havent searched recently.

I'm not talking about trying to break the rules by transiting a higher zone (you could go MEL-SYD via HKG if that was the case), I'm talking about utilising the fact that the region we live in is enormous and very well serviced by QF. You could get an awful lot of value while remaining within the rules.

 

[appaz]

Interesting thought! Back when US was in * I did some similar searching, saw a RAR - GUM option on United that routed via both Australia and Asia (with long ~20 hour stopovers) but would have still been South Pacific to South Pacfic price.

I also thought I saw or heard mention of intra Aus/NZ flights that routed via SIN. But it was a while ago and havent searched recently.

Being from PER when I searched PER-CNS on the British airways website one route that looks rather nice that came up was PER-HKG-CNS with CX

I think with a few calls I could get this for 30k

 

[FrankC]

Being from PER when I searched PER-CNS on the British airways website one route that looks rather nice that came up was PER-HKG-CNS with CX

I think with a few calls I could get this for 30k

Stopover or 'transit'?

 

[burmans]

Being from PER when I searched PER-CNS on the British airways website one route that looks rather nice that came up was PER-HKG-CNS with CX

I think with a few calls I could get this for 30k

Well unlike smit0847 I'm not sure it is actually breaking the rules to transit a different region (stopovers are of course a different story), I think MPM is the more likely killer of routes like this.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Being from PER when I searched PER-CNS on the British airways website one route that looks rather nice that came up was PER-HKG-CNS with CX

I think with a few calls I could get this for 30k

without a stopover this would almost certainly lead to denied boarding in PER due to cabotage. with a stopover it takes it outside the zone.

 

[appaz]

without a stopover this would almost certainly lead to denied boarding in PER due to cabotage. with a stopover it takes it outside the zone.

I would go for the stopover in HKG of course and yes I'd expect most agents say no, worth a try

 

[casanovawa]

It would be cabotage if you were to fly both legs in CX, but if you could get a QF flight from HKG down to SYD (or is there any other capital city that QF flies to from HKG) then that should be legal wouldn't it???

Pity QF don't fly to many pacific islands as they have given that all over to J* haven't they or you could fly from PER to one of those....

With AA your meant to be able to fly from PER to Easter Island off South America and stay in the South West Pacific zone or whatever its call, but don't think availability is very good...

 

[appaz]

It would be cabotage if you were to fly both legs in CX, but if you could get a QF flight from HKG down to SYD (or is there any other capital city that QF flies to from HKG) then that should be legal wouldn't it???

Pity QF don't fly to many pacific islands as they have given that all over to J* haven't they or you could fly from PER to one of those....

With AA your meant to be able to fly from PER to Easter Island off South America and stay in the South West Pacific zone or whatever its call, but don't think availability is very good...

a good one is PER-NOU via SYD in J for 30k

 

[smit0847]

From Gary @ View From The Wing:
'I’m told that this is likely the last go of a 100% bonus on US Airways miles at current pricing. This isn’t a public or official pronouncement, but something I’ve been told — that as part of integrating the Dividend Miles and AAdvantage programs, at a latest case come November the bonus and pricing structure for US Airways miles will look more like the old American approach.'

 

[burmans]

From Gary @ View From The Wing:
'I’m told that this is likely the last go of a 100% bonus on US Airways miles at current pricing. This isn’t a public or official pronouncement, but something I’ve been told — that as part of integrating the Dividend Miles and AAdvantage programs, at a latest case come November the bonus and pricing structure for US Airways miles will look more like the old American approach.'

Yeah, saw that, so maybe October is a "share" month, we can only hope!!

 

[r01x]

With a bit of persistence Guam is definitely still possible.

 

[bcworld]

With a bit of persistence Guam is definitely still possible.

Example routings?

 

[burmans]

With a bit of persistence Guam is definitely still possible.

Hey, an escapee from FT, welcome to AFF!

 

[boomy]

With a bit of persistence Guam is definitely still possible.

Did you manage to successfully book AUS-GUM with stopover on OW?
If so, do you mind sharing the itinerary?

 

[r01x]

Example routings?

Did you manage to successfully book AUS-GUM with stopover on OW?
If so, do you mind sharing the itinerary?

The only 1-stop routing possible between Australia and GUM on Oneworld, with a stopover at the transfer point on the return leg. 30K in J.

Hey, an escapee from FT, welcome to AFF!

Thanks