US election 2020

[p--and--t]

And no living (GOP) President within sight.

I am not that involved to bother watching much more than snippets (a bit like test cricket LOL) but was quite strange to see a parade of family members and an assortment of people at grass roots (some of them highly suspect) rather than the traditional schedule of A listers, using the White House at a platform, over the top usage of dozens and dozens of flags everywhere.

Strong feel of I'm your "fearless leader" (dictator?), chest beating and if you don't follow me and my family you are unpatriotic, rallying the rabble, this is my private palace rather than a public owned building. The lack of any support from any previous occupants was very apparent, as was the lack of any policy platform.

A big contrast to the previous week that was a lot more touchy feelly, more subtle and lots of support from well known faces/characters and previous occupants.

Appealing to totally different audiences rather than any middle ground approaches.

 

[tomlee1986]

So do you feel China is a bigger threat or equal threat or lesser than Russia?
Is Trump able to defend US against Russia?

I feel perhaps the Democrats might have dropped the ball had a Democratic president been in office (not just if Hillary Clinton was in the chair). But now China has ‘no clothes on’ and I feel both sides of US politics equally equipped re China threat.

I feel both are a threat to the world, but China is the more urgent now compared to Russia

 

[RooFlyer]

And no living (GOP) President within sight.

Yes, that’s telling, isn’t it. I think George Bush Senior last time said he wouldn’t/ didn’t vote for Trump.

 

[RooFlyer]

but was quite strange to see a parade of family members and an assortment of people at grass roots (some of them highly suspect) rather than the traditional schedule of A listers,

A big contrast to the previous week that was a lot more touchy feelly, more subtle and lots of support from well known faces/characters and previous occupants.

True, but that’s the Trump mantra, isn’t it? “Drain the swamp” etc etc. Use of family and ‘ordinary folks’ (anything but “A listers”) wasn’t an accidental contrast to the DNC effort, I reckon.

 

[dajop]

I feel both are a threat to the world, but China is the more urgent now compared to Russia

Agree in the short term, the rise of China will challenge the western orthodoxy. In the long run, there's one country that may just keep China in check (and not either USA or Russia), but it's a way to go yet, as it still has to sort out its own S@&*#t first.

Russia, at the moment, is probably more of a regional concern (for Europe and the ME) than global.

 

[CaptJCool]

So was it more 101 than 303 or AK-47?

True, but that’s the Trump mantra, isn’t it? “Drain the swamp” etc etc. Use of family and ‘ordinary folks’ (anything but “A listers”) wasn’t an accidental contrast to the DNC effort, I reckon.

Nope; more 404

LOL

 

[dajop]

Isn't the problem that more than half don't turn up to vote?

According to Wikipedia, turnout at the 2016 Presidential election was 55.7% of eligible voters, so slighty less than half didn't turn up to vote.

By way of contrast, where turning up to a polling place is compulsory in Australia, at the 2019 election 91.9% turned up and of those 91.9%, 94.5% cast a valid vote. So 86.8% of eligible voters had a say in deciding the election.

 

[tomlee1986]

According to Wikipedia, turnout at the 2016 Presidential election was 55.7% of eligible voters, so slighty less than half didn't turn up to vote.

By way of contrast, where turning up to a polling place is compulsory in Australia, at the 2019 election 91.9% turned up and of those 91.9%, 94.5% cast a valid vote. So 86.8% of eligible voters had a say in deciding the election.

The Americans tend not to go to vote compared to Australia, therefore the political parties have to do a lot more advertising (entertaining ones) to entice them to vote

 

[trippin_the_rift]

True, but that’s the Trump mantra, isn’t it? “Drain the swamp” etc etc. Use of family and ‘ordinary folks’ (anything but “A listers”) wasn’t an accidental contrast to the DNC effort, I reckon.

Look at all the investigations, arrests and looming indictments. Thousands. Start with turning off the TV and opening justice.gov if you want to see for yourself without media bias.

Trump is draining the swamp, but the swamp fights back - and that's what we're seeing playing out with Russia investigations, Urkaine, BLM etc. The swamp doesn't appear to be just some folks in the D-party, but also corporations, celebrities and leaders in other countries.

One thing is for sure -- there is no fking-way that all the craziness in the world is a coincidence. It's everything to do with the election and there's a clear narrative that the mainstream media pounds on. The question we should be asking ourselves is, why and what do they have to gain/lose?

 

[p--and--t]

Look at all the investigations, arrests and looming indictments. Thousands. Start with turning off the TV and opening justice.gov if you want to see for yourself without media bias.

Trump is draining the swamp, but the swamp fights back - and that's what we're seeing playing out with Russia investigations, Urkaine, BLM etc. The swamp doesn't appear to be just some folks in the D-party, but also corporations, celebrities and leaders in other countries.

One thing is for sure -- there is no fking-way that all the craziness in the world is a coincidence. It's everything to do with the election and there's a clear narrative that the mainstream media pounds on. The question we should be asking ourselves is, why and what do they have to gain/lose?

For sure, I more look at various media reports than US gov websites and not yet looked at the site you referenced. I take a look over the weekend

However, the impression i get, right or wrong, is that people who he has hand picked and welcomed into his inner circle have largely either within a short while left and totally rebuffed him after working with him or those who have stayed on been indited/jailed for crimes. There also appear to be a long list of suspect criminal activities waiting for investigation to be progressed when he is no longer sitting in the White House and he doesn't have his hand up the back of acting heads of departments who are actively suppressing any action against him (and several members of his family).

Part of his strategy to get away with dubious moves seems to be to fire any permanent heads of departments who dare to quote the law or precedent to him and put in place a series of acting staff who would seem to be reluctant to stand up to him by any real measure.

 

[p--and--t]

According to Wikipedia, turnout at the 2016 Presidential election was 55.7% of eligible voters, so slighty less than half didn't turn up to vote.

By way of contrast, where turning up to a polling place is compulsory in Australia, at the 2019 election 91.9% turned up and of those 91.9%, 94.5% cast a valid vote. So 86.8% of eligible voters had a say in deciding the election.

Are there similar comparative figures of informal votes for the US?

Although in asking that, I'm surmising if they are not compelled to vote, why would they go along and spoil the ballot paper.

I have heard comments, don't know whether they are true or false, of the two major parties basically "buying" votes by offering free transport to the polling booth and meals or other incentives to get people to turn up and vote.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Are there similar comparative figures of informal votes for the US?

Although in asking that, I'm surmising if they are not compelled to vote, why would they go along and spoil the ballot paper.

I have heard comments, don't know whether they are true or false, of the two major parties basically "buying" votes by offering free transport to the polling booth and meals or other incentives to get people to turn up and vote.

Not quite like our Democracy Sausage is it?

That‘s the problem with postal voting, no sausage!

 

[drron]

Yes, that’s telling, isn’t it. I think George Bush Senior last time said he wouldn’t/ didn’t vote for Trump.

Well HW and GW both were supporting Jeb in the 2016 Republican primaries.
And GW is the only other living GOP president.

 

[dajop]

Are there similar comparative figures of informal votes for the US?

Although in asking that, I'm surmising if they are not compelled to vote, why would they go along and spoil the ballot paper.

I haven't seen such figures, but I haven't looked either. But I guess, it is also less difficult to spoil a ballot paper (or make an error using voting machines) when it's a first past the post contest, vs numbering the boxes in a preferential system.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Yes, that’s telling, isn’t it. I think George Bush Senior last time said he wouldn’t/ didn’t vote for Trump.

Would you vote for a guy knowing he would have you killed for treason?
There's a wealth of information around GB and the shady stuff he did with CIA.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Are there similar comparative figures of informal votes for the US?

Although in asking that, I'm surmising if they are not compelled to vote, why would they go along and spoil the ballot paper.

I have heard comments, don't know whether they are true or false, of the two major parties basically "buying" votes by offering free transport to the polling booth and meals or other incentives to get people to turn up and vote.

I haven't seen such figures, but I haven't looked either. But I guess, it is also less difficult to spoil a ballot paper (or make an error using voting machines) when it's a first past the post contest, vs numbering the boxes in a preferential system.

In the Government report on the last US presidential election, they only recorded valid votes and that is classed as ‘turnout’.

Don’t forget many states have write-in votes as well.

So an informal vote is not included as turnout.

Assuming this methodology/analysis continues an invalid/uncounted postal vote will not be part of turnout. Also hanging chads (Bush v Gore - Florida) that are not counted will not be part of turnout.

 

[HokitikaGold]

Due to red wine, I should accept that my views are contaminated. But in all this world-wide chaos, I seek to express my take on it all. Trump had some good, sound, ideas. But he has become crazy. As far as the Chinese, please be careful. IMHO the ruling party is horrible. They are a machine. Without any of the virtues or morals we have in the west, or in most countries. But that is the ruling party. That party is NOT the Chinese people. They are slaves to that ruling machine. Despite the hiccups, the short term economic loss, I hope that in this period we free ourselves from the oppression and manipulation that the Chinese Communist Party continually rolls out. I am happy to tighten my belt, if it means I am more free from that.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Some US election predictions

US election: Donald Trump 'landslide' victory predicted by political scientist

'Everybody thinks Trump is going to go down in flames, and here I am predicting with almost total certainty that he’s going to win.'

au.yahoo.com

 

[p--and--t]

Some US election predictions

US election: Donald Trump 'landslide' victory predicted by political scientist

'Everybody thinks Trump is going to go down in flames, and here I am predicting with almost total certainty that he’s going to win.'

au.yahoo.com

History shows that the incumbent in any election (not just USA) holds a great advantage. It is also rare for a populace in the middle of any emergency (real or fabricated) to change horses mid stream.

Nobody should be writing Trump off. He has proven time and time again he can fumble something, carry out illegal actions, show absolute coughry and either explain it away with lies or just deny until critics give up or move on.

We had our own Prime Minister that was good at fabricating an emergency based on a lie and getting re-elected.

This article below makes interesting reading. However none of it will have any impact on his devoted followers and those who are easily fooled by smoke and mirrors.

Donald Trump’s Corruption Was On Full Display At The RNC

Eric Trump is running the president’s company and is under investigation in New York, but spoke at the convention Tuesday. That was only the beginning.

m.huffingtonpost.com.au

 

[p--and--t]

Would you vote for a guy knowing he would have you killed for treason?
There's a wealth of information around GB and the shady stuff he did with CIA.

I think they would both not hesitate if they thought they could get away with it.