Velocity changes: Changes to status credits

[notzac]

AA created the YUP fare. You really expect AA to listen to QF and to kill that fare so DJ can offer a better $ / Gold retain than QF / AA? I don't think so.

What surprises me is that those fares earn F SC's .. what if US domestic F started earning J SC's :?:

 

[connieguy]

The idea is that they'd change the SC earning table to exclude F SC on flights shorter than a set distance, which would exclude all but a few of the AA fares. Anyone disgruntled about that wouldn't be particularly loyal (to QF) either.

Why would do AA / QF do that? To make DJ's FFer program more competitive to that from AA / QF and to lose revenue? Please DJ's offer is not that good now that they have retracted their SC earn offer back to their original, canned PP Card Lounge access and are not competitive.

Just remember AA offers their EXP FFers unlimited F upgrades on all domestic flights and 8 system wide J upgrades. You think AA will remove those so DJ be able to compete?

Please DJ are so far down the worldwide FFer program pecking scale that AA probable will probable never see them.

 

[connieguy]

However the definition now makes a lot of sense and stops people gaming the system. It also discourages status runs that cost more to the airline and have negative environmental outcomes as well.

Excuse me but why is that not the right of EVERY DJ customer to GAME the system? DJ make the rules and DJ FFers with a brain will work out how to gain max advantage from it. As it now stand there are no reasons to pay DJ money for their flights and FFers benefits gained as there are better FFer programs out there.

Bottom line is FFers with a brain vote with their flight MONEY spend.

 

[samiam]

Excuse me but why is that not the right of EVERY DJ customer to GAME the system? DJ make the rules and DJ FFers with a brain will work out how to gain max advantage from it. As it now stand there are no reasons to pay DJ money for their flights and FFers benefits gained as there are better FFer programs out there.

Bottom line is FFers with a brain vote with their flight MONEY spend.

Sorry - just busting to ask this question - how come you capitalise the word 'money' in every post? :mrgreen:

 

[connieguy]

Sorry - just busting to ask this question - how come you capitalise the word 'money' in every post? :mrgreen:

Simple answer. I fund my flights with the MONEY I earn from my flying. For my last QF year I earned 3,250 QF SCs and that was for about 65% of my flying with QF / OW. For me I see miles flown and SC bonus earned miles as reducing my cost of flying. BTW I mostly fly long haul internationals in -Y exit row seats so may not be the atypical WP corp J/F traveler that DJ and QF seek to lure / retain. For me flying J is done via JQ *Class or Air pacific or AA YUPs or JASAs or points upgrade if the QF Lottery Gods smile.

BTW I've been doing this since 1969 when I bought my first RTW on PA001. Remember the air pressure ear phones and the drop down video screen / audio only in flight entertainment systems?

 

[drfs]

I mostly fly long haul internationals in -Y exit row seats so may not be the atypical WP corp J/F traveler that DJ and QF seek to lure / retain.

*typical (sorry, couldn't help myself)

 

[connieguy]

*typical (sorry, couldn't help myself)

Mate I sit with my butt in an airline seat probably 30 X as many hours a year in low SC earning long haul international flights as your DJ Silver would suggest you do. 200 DJ SC (Sliver) are worth in QF terms about 300 QF SC. Last year I earned 3,250 QF SC or about 11 times what a DF Silver does in terms of raw miles. If I added in the non QF / OW equivalent SC that would be around 5,000 QF SCs or around 30 times the butt in seat miles you flew to gain DJ Silver.

So sorry mate, no bashing intended and all respect given, but you have no real idea of real FFer flying or what is involved. It is NOT fun or enjoyable, being away from family and friends for 27 days a month and sleeping in airline seats more nights than I do in hotel beds. The QF F Lounge keeps me sane and flying when I really want to be home with my family.

When you get there, we will compare notes and a enjoy a few really nice Reds.

 

[Misha]

Mate I sit with my butt in an airline seat probably 30 X as many hours a year in low SC earning long haul international flights as your DJ Silver would suggest you do. 200 DJ SC (Sliver) are worth in QF terms about 300 QF SC. Last year I earned 3,250 QF SC or about 11 times what a DF Silver does in terms of raw miles. If I added in the non QF / OW equivalent SC that would be around 5,000 QF SCs or around 30 times the butt in seat miles you flew to gain DJ Silver.

So sorry mate, no bashing intended and all respect given, but you have no real idea of real FFer flying or what is involved. It is NOT fun or enjoyable, being away from family and friends for 27 days a month and sleeping in airline seats more nights than I do in hotel beds. The QF F Lounge keeps me sane and flying when I really want to be home with my family.

When you get there, we will compare notes and a enjoy a few really nice Reds.

Kudos for the comments in bold (my bolding) but in respect to the blue comments (my colouring) you don't know the whole story. Perhaps he is staff and cannot accrue, perhaps he flies other airlines - I don't think one needs to go down that path. I know you don't mean in an arrogant way - merely showing across your experience, but still it's not a nice way to speak to members who don't post all that often. This was the kind of treatment I feared getting when I first joined. I thought we should respect everyone's opinions.

On a side note: Would you only share reds when someone had the same status and miles as you? I must be a drunk - I'd drink with anyone - even TT flyers

 

[drfs]

Mate I sit with my butt in an airline seat probably 30 X as many hours a year in low SC earning long haul international flights as your DJ Silver would suggest you do. 200 DJ SC (Sliver) are worth in QF terms about 300 QF SC. Last year I earned 3,250 QF SC or about 11 times what a DF Silver does in terms of raw miles. If I added in the non QF / OW equivalent SC that would be around 5,000 QF SCs or around 30 times the butt in seat miles you flew to gain DJ Silver.

So sorry mate, no bashing intended and all respect given, but you have no real idea of real FFer flying or what is involved. It is NOT fun or enjoyable, being away from family and friends for 27 days a month and sleeping in airline seats more nights than I do in hotel beds. The QF F Lounge keeps me sane and flying when I really want to be home with my family.

When you get there, we will compare notes and a enjoy a few really nice Reds.

You put all that effort in and yet you misunderstood my comment. What you initially meant was "typical" Atypical | Define Atypical at Dictionary.com

 

[Misha]

You put all that effort in and yet you misunderstood my comment. What you initially meant was "typical" Atypical | Define Atypical at Dictionary.com

:mrgreen: lol

wow: we just avoided a major drama

 

[samiam]

wow: we just avoided a major drama

Typical!!!

 

[connieguy]

You put all that effort in and yet you misunderstood my comment. What you initially meant was "typical" Atypical | Define Atypical at Dictionary.com

Mate, focus on the grammar if you wish, while the wider FFer benefit discussion of MONEY spent on flights versus BENEFITS received goes on around you. :shock:

 

[Misha]

Mate, focus on the grammar if you wish, while the wider FFer benefit discussion of MONEY spent on flights versus BENEFITS received goes on around you. :shock:

ummm... maybe drama not yet avoided. seriously gowatson: what's wrong? you fly tiger today? have a shiraz and chill :mrgreen:

 

[connieguy]

On a side note: Would you only share reds when someone had the same status and miles as you? I must be a drunk - I'd drink with anyone - even TT flyers

I will host and drink with anybody into the QF J Lounge or QF F lounge as long as they are flying on the same flight as me. With QF J all I need to do is flash the WP card and we are both in. Hosting into the QF F Lounge does require a bit of ticket checking. Bummer!

 

[connieguy]

ummm... maybe drama not yet avoided. seriously gowatson: what's wrong? you fly tiger today? have a shiraz and chill :mrgreen:

Did that. Seriously I do try to transfer my 46+ tears of flying experience to others so their journey is less painful and more enjoyable than mine was. My lifetime total flight miles are over 3 million butt in the seat miles or approx 65k miles per year. Peak was ~250k miles per year.

 

[Misha]

Did that. Seriously I do try to transfer my 45+ tears of flying experience to others so their journey is less painful and more enjoyable than mine was. My lifetime total flight miles are over 3 million butt in the seat miles or approx 65k miles per year. Peak was ~250k miles per year.

and i know most on here appreciate those like yourself with far more experience and knowledge than us sharing that info... i just see the side of the newbies (still very new myself) who think 'i don't fly anywhere near as much as some of these exec types, maybe i shouldn't join' - we need to make them feel welcome. after all - they are the future Borghettis and Joyces... well hopefully not Joyces - but you get my drift.

sending you a cyber cheers as i pour my next red

 

[drfs]

Did that. Seriously I do try to transfer my 46+ tears of flying experience to others so their journey is less painful and more enjoyable than mine was. My lifetime total flight miles are over 3 million butt in the seat miles or approx 65k miles per year. Peak was ~250k miles per year.

There was certainly no disrespect intended, just a little cheekiness. I humbly bow down to your many years of experience.

 

[connieguy]

and i know most on here appreciate those like yourself with far more experience and knowledge than us sharing that info... i just see the side of the newbies (still very new myself) who think 'i don't fly anywhere near as much as some of these exec types, maybe i shouldn't join' - we need to make them feel welcome. after all - they are the future Borghettis and Joyces... well hopefully not Joyces - but you get my drift.

sending you a cyber cheers as i pour my next red

"Clink"......

 

[Misha]

"Clink"......

hmmmm. they both sound a bit empty *tops up*

 

[connieguy]

There was certainly no disrespect intended, just a little cheekiness. I humbly bow down to your many years of experience.

Mate is it more like feeling the pain for all the butt in the seat miles and learning now to game the various FFer programs. Trust me they have little loyalty to you.

My first international long haul was US to Rome return on a TWA Constellation. Noisy, small, vibrated all the time and uncomfortable. Remember the air controller strike in Oz and flying in RAAF Herc C-130. Brought back the Connie memories.

Lockheed Constellation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ok I'm now revealed as a old fart.

Note the comment:

"The L-1649A holds the record for the longest-duration, non-stop passenger flight, during TWA's inaugural London-to-San Francisco flight on October 1–2, 1957, the aircraft stayed aloft for 23 hours and 19 minutes (about 5,350 mi/8,610 km at 229.4 mph/369.2 km/h)"

Yes you read that right, 23 hours and 19 minutes in the air between Sfo/Lhr. Oh my aching BUTT.

I like this bit:

"Sleek and powerful, Constellations set a number of records. On April 17, 1944, the second production L049, piloted by Howard Hughes and TWA president Jack Frye, flew from Burbank, California to Washington, D.C. in 6 hours and 57 minutes (c. 2,300 mi/3,701 km at an average 330.9 mph/532.5 km/h). On the return trip, the aircraft stopped at Wright Field to give Orville Wright his last flight, more than 40 years after his historic first flight. He commented that the Constellation's wingspan was longer than the distance of his first flight."

Today most of us just step onto a modern jet airliner and have little or no real understanding of that which went before us. Back then I thought the Connie was the most beautiful aircraft I had ever seen. Even today it is a beautiful aircraft. But the Connie was my first aircraft love so I'm probably biased. The TWA pilots were good at "Tuning" the engine revs to give a good and soothing "humm" in the cabin so you could sleep.