Funniest thing I've heard this week.VA need to start opening international lounges at various places.
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Funniest thing I've heard this week.VA need to start opening international lounges at various places.
As a pax if you are coming off an international flight you, it would be setup to exit into the international terminal and for a domestic flight you exit straight in the domestic terminal.So what does Gate 50 actually offer/do if one was a pax? Trying to recall it's position...is it not at end of T1 (away from exit entry points? )
I would assume it take a considerable amount of time setting up Gate 50 if VA took the 'swing' gate option on OOL/ADL-PER-DPS & v.v, assuming it meant opening up the walls for Domestic Use and closing it again for International use. They would assumably have to wait for 'through' passengers clearing immigration regardless if how many passengers are considered 'through' pax.
Whereas if VA just used the international gate (with the D sticker/ID system for the Domestic-only tag passengers to present at Immigration) for those via PER to DPS flights they are able to relatively do a turn/change of crew for the next leg reasonably quickly. The 'through' pax would assumedly re-clear security to re-enter the transit/gate area for the onward leg.
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It is used for domestic, but not very often. Usually once a day at most during the first wave of departures.I've been on international flights which have used gate 50. Never seen it used for domestic.
The Gate 50 set up in PER is a lot different to swing gates in ADL for example. The domestic and international channels have separated paths to enter the aerobridge. There's no moving of walls.I would assume it take a considerable amount of time setting up Gate 50 if VA took the 'swing' gate option on OOL/ADL-PER-DPS & v.v, assuming it meant opening up the walls for Domestic Use and closing it again for International use.
Here here. The only airline at the moment I'd fly to DPS from PER is J*. I'd take VA over J* any day of the week if they were flying the route. Would also mean a J option.Well I for.one, if the route with VA was competitive and at a decent time of the day would fly VA with lounge at least at PER without hesitation than Batik whom I would not touch with a barchpole. Friend.flew biz with them to KUL, said awful.
I see no way you could use the lounge, assuming you even got access. T1 int is the complete other side, youād have to be very keen, and early, to do security, lounge, exit, security then immigration and board.
I would assume it take a considerable amount of time setting up Gate 50 if VA took the 'swing' gate option on OOL/ADL-PER-DPS & v.v, assuming it meant opening up the walls for Domestic Use and closing it again for International use. They would assumably have to wait for 'through' passengers clearing immigration regardless if how many passengers are considered 'through' pax.
Whereas if VA just used the international gate (with the D sticker/ID system for the Domestic-only tag passengers to present at Immigration) for those via PER to DPS flights they are able to relatively do a turn/change of crew for the next leg reasonably quickly. The 'through' pax would assumedly re-clear security to re-enter the transit/gate area for the onward leg.
More than likely you've 'technically' left the country at the port of origin (ADL or OOL) should those flights be approved. "The VA Lounge is in Australia", likely requiring a 'immigration clearance' to enter itSo they can use gate 50 for international and let us all use the VA lounge ...simples!! Oh no there will be additional complications cos it's Perth and nothing is easy!!![]()
Have never seen it open, on my several VA flights into and out of T1 PER.So what does Gate 50 actually offer/do if one was a pax? Trying to recall it's position...is it not at end of T1 (away from exit entry points? )
Because the existing bilateral agreement for flights between major ports (BNE/MEL/PER/SYD) and Indonesia is maxed out.But ADL - DPS already has its own one flight most/all days of the week, so wonder why do they still want to tag on the PER - DPS to the ADL - DPS one.
Have never seen it open, on my several VA flights into and out of T1 PER.So what does Gate 50 actually offer/do if one was a pax? Trying to recall it's position...is it not at end of T1 (away from exit entry points? )
Cunning!Because the existing bilateral agreement for flights between major ports (BNE/MEL/PER/SYD) and Indonesia is maxed out.
Operating these tag flights from ADL & OOL would enable them to launch a 2x daily PER-DPS service.
ADL-DPS and OOL-DPS is not the focus of this application. It's all about being able to resume the PER-DPS route.
Maybe its as simple as seeing QF wanting the whole pie and them just sticking their hand out. Wouldn't be surprised if it turns into another CNS <> HND where it wasn't the best thought out project, just that they didn't want to lose it.Though I do wonder why VA wanted to return to PER-DPS considering the very crowded route of LCCs and Value Carriers.
VA would pretty much offer no point of difference from the existing carriers (Value Carrier rival; Batik Air Indonesia already provides recliner J on PER-DPS). They (VA) would hope they'd get some favourable slot times from DPS for their "point of difference"
Maybe its as simple as seeing QF wanting the whole pie and them just sticking their hand out. Wouldn't be surprised if it turns into another CNS <> HND where it wasn't the best thought out project, just that they didn't want to lose it.
Sorry what i meant by the CNS - HND route was that it feels more like VA wanted to hold the slot and found a solution for it but wasn't anywhere near ideal. (I imagine the slot would go to QF if VA didnt use it).CNS-HND had the Queensland Government subsidies under the Attracting Aviation Investment Fund (AAIF) in partnership with CNS and NQ Tourism applied to the service in the name of (inbound) "Tourism for Queensland".
WA Government Airline subsidies won't apply for PER-DPS as thats largely a outbound route, so that view doesn't work for this case. Saying that VA could've easily used the application for a second SYD or BNE but chose PER for both.
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VA has been building up Bali for a while. Increasing MEL-DPS to 2 daily, resuming ADL-DPS (which operated 2 daily over the summer), and the launch of OOL-DPS. They've stated previously the intention to grow short-haul international, PER-DPS is a glaring hole in their network and fits with this.Though I do wonder why VA wanted to return to PER-DPS considering the very crowded route of LCCs and Value Carriers.
I know you reference Batik in relation to VA a lot, but I think you're overstating the success of Batik in the Australian market. VA, QF and JQ all consistently achieve load factors in the 80s and 90s, but the Indonesian carriers pale in comparison, hovering in the 60s. The only Indonesian carrier to buck the trend is Air Asia, but they're long established in the market.VA would pretty much offer no point of difference from the existing carriers (Value Carrier rival; Batik Air Indonesia already provides recliner J on PER-DPS). They (VA) would hope they'd get some favourable slot times from DPS for their "point of difference"
Actually they could.So they can use gate 50 for international and let us all use the VA lounge ...simples!! Oh no there will be additional complications cos it's Perth and nothing is easy!!![]()
Though I do wonder why VA wanted to return to PER-DPS considering the very crowded route of LCCs and Value Carriers.
VA would pretty much offer no point of difference from the existing carriers (Value Carrier rival; Batik Air Indonesia already provides recliner J on PER-DPS). They (VA) would hope they'd get some favourable slot times from DPS for their "point of difference"