Virgin Australia applied for ADL/OOL-PER-DPS. Failed due International Terminal Requirement

[Saab34]

Batik also cancel many flights, they regularly combine the double daily MEL and SYD to once a day within a week out.

 

[PERLHR]

Well the advantage of VA over Batik and Air Asia is points and credits as a FF......just give us a damn lounge!

 

[PERLHR]

Actually they could.

The T1 lounge is used for T2 departures.

You would have checked-in already. It's just a short walk and go through security again (once domestically, then internationally).

(I think this is similar to Melbourne, though more of a trek)

But maybe not so potentially busy as MEL un less the departure time is somewhat similar to EK or QR 380s ex PER.

 

[Saab34]

I would grant the 2500 seats to Virgin having another look.

Jetstar is simply replacing MEL-DPS with the frequency it took away in November in order for QF to upgrade its Sydney flight the a A330.

If you take that into account, Jetstar is really only adding about 5 frequencies a week into DPS on existing routes. I also have the concern with JQ that they often cancel PER-DPS. Completions factor concerns obviously here as they will now have more frequency on the route.

On the flip side, VA is adding 14 new frequencies a week into Bali, starting a new route/new competitor, offering a non LCC option which resonates with a larger % of the population, all crewed by Australian based crews, and will offer a larger portion of the 2500 seats vs Jetstar.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Lets say, just say, or g#sbag, or yak, what if VA(i) did mention, that is ONLY a what if, if VA did an agreement with the/a lounge ops in the independent PER T1 after int sec zone.
But lets say, have to pay extra, or a part co payment.
Yes/no/maybe.
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JQ, no J service, and that QF does not have a lounge presence at PER T1 anymore, so no lounge either. so lets day, no int lounge at PER T1.
VA, J service (if not booked out) but no int lounge at PER T1.
Both of these services have their respective FF programs.
OD/ID does not have a lounge presence either, and no FF program, but have got J (if not booked out).

 

[HS-TQE]

Lets say, just say, or g#sbag, or yak, what if VA(i) did mention, that is ONLY a what if, if VA did an agreement with the/a lounge ops in the independent PER T1 after int sec zone.
But have to pay exttra, or a part co payment.
Yes/no/maybe.

Wasn't that included in the J ticket in the VA 1.0, they had pay the lounge operator(s) in SYD, MEL and BNE when they used Plaza Premium and eventually switched to The House (formerly owned by Etihad)/MyLounge to provide lounge access for VAi J passengers pre-Covid

 

[Harrison_133]

Lets say, just say, or g#sbag, or yak, what if VA(i) did mention, that is ONLY a what if, if VA did an agreement with the/a lounge ops in the independent PER T1 after int sec zone.
But have to pay exttra, or a part co payment.
Yes/no/maybe.

Considering they haven't come to an arrangement with a third party lounge (which they absolutely should) for their existing international ports, I'd say it would be a solid no on that arrangement.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

I guess, if a person is a higher status member of VFF, (they could/could they) use the SQ KF lounge at PER T1 if they have enough time in transit?
Yes, it would be a rush if VA did the OOL and ADL to PER sectors as a dom flight, and only give 1.5hrs transit in PER.
Granted its not as busy as MEL T2/SYD T1/BNE, and PER T1 is quite compact, but still, would 1.5hrs be enough.
If VA did the OOL and ADL to PER sector as int flights, then a bit easier in PER, would they keep pax in the int transit zone, or let pax go via transit zone into the int dep area where the int lounges are.
Lots of presuppositions, and wait and see.

 

[Harrison_133]

I guess, if a person is a higher status member of VFF, (they could/could they) use the SQ KF lounge at PER T1 if they have enough time in transit?

That wouldn't work either.

SQ lounge access is only available to Velocity members when travelling on SQ operated flights.

 

[HS-TQE]

I guess, if a person is a higher status member of VFF, (they could/could they) use the SQ KF lounge at PER T1 if they have enough time in transit?
Yes, it would be a rush if VA did the OOL and ADL to PER sectors as a dom flight, and only give 1.5hrs transit in PER.
Granted its not as busy as MEL T2/SYD T1/BNE, and PER T1 is quite compact, but still, would 1.5hrs be enough.
If VA did the OOL and ADL to PER sector as int flights, then a bit easier in PER, would they keep pax in the int transit zone, or let pax go via transit zone into the int dep area where the int lounges are.
Lots of presuppositions, and wait and see.

Likely VA will operate those domestic tags as "international" flights, meaning the domestic only passengers will need ID and a D sticker boarding pass to show at a immigration officer in PER and vice versa. Unlikely VA will want to complicate things with through passengers clearing immigration (and re-check in if coming from DPS) when it's easier and quicker to turn the flight at the international gates (or Gate 50 in International Configuration)

 

[PERLHR]

Lets say, just say, or g#sbag, or yak, what if VA(i) did mention, that is ONLY a what if, if VA did an agreement with the/a lounge ops in the independent PER T1 after int sec zone.
But lets say, have to pay extra, or a part co payment.
Yes/no/maybe.
---
JQ, no J service, and that QF does not have a lounge presence at PER T1 anymore, so no lounge either. so lets day, no int lounge at PER T1.
VA, J service (if not booked out) but no int lounge at PER T1.
Both of these services have their respective FF programs.
OD/ID does not have a lounge presence either, and no FF program, but have got J (if not booked out).

If flying OD "biz" class you do have lounge access at T1 PER. I know cos my friend flew it the other month.

 

[elanshin]

Lets say, just say, or g#sbag, or yak, what if VA(i) did mention, that is ONLY a what if, if VA did an agreement with the/a lounge ops in the independent PER T1 after int sec zone.
But lets say, have to pay extra, or a part co payment.
Yes/no/maybe.

I think this depends on the cost to the pax.
If it costs like $100 then no. If its like $25 or so maybe.

JQ, no J service, and that QF does not have a lounge presence at PER T1 anymore, so no lounge either. so lets day, no int lounge at PER T1.
VA, J service (if not booked out) but no int lounge at PER T1.
Both of these services have their respective FF programs.
OD/ID does not have a lounge presence either, and no FF program, but have got J (if not booked out).

I would imagine the lack of QF lounge at PER to be temporary given their agreement to move over now. There might even be a small chance QF builds a small F section given they want PER to be a hub. If that's the case JQ pax would get access right.

 

[HS-TQE]

Well the advantage of VA over Batik and Air Asia is points and credits as a FF......just give us a damn lounge!

Batik Air / Malindo Miles (Batik Malaysia) has a FF program.

However it seems ID has pulled back SYD/MEL-DPS to seasonal, and has recently ended their NW schedule early (ie no ID flights showing up on SYD/MEL-DPS from April to September).
Batik Malaysia are sending their all-Y 737-8s on SYD/MEL-DPS (and onward to KUL).

J passengers on Batik Indonesia used Plaza Premium when it was open in SYD/MEL.

 

[justinbrett]

Likely VA will operate those domestic tags as "international" flights, meaning the domestic only passengers will need ID and a D sticker boarding pass to show at a immigration officer in PER and vice versa. Unlikely VA will want to complicate things with through passengers clearing immigration (and re-check in if coming from DPS) when it's easier and quicker to turn the flight at the international gates (or Gate 50 in International Configuration)

I feel like I've said this multiple times already, it's not likely, it's mandatory.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

If flying OD "biz" class you do have lounge access at T1 PER. I know cos my friend flew it the other month.

Which one, not that I would have a need for it.
Is it the Aspire at PER T1?
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For those on the ADL/OOL - PER, flight its very unlikely it would be the orange sticker.
If VA were going to do it, and leave it as the ADL/OOL flight as dom, they would most likely just link the pax's PNR, and leave the flight within Aust as dom, and everyone go through PER T1 as int.
Just like QF's ADL - PER - SIN/LHR.
Its the easiest.
The orange sticker was purely for a dom pax flying on an int flight, and don't think it was meant to then lead/allow the pax to go to a linked next flight as pure int pax.
Because for a linked PNR, the pax would need to show passport, and then passport is dipped into the keyboard of the airline to scan the 2 line data strip.
Orange sticker pax do not get their passport dipped.
Int pax need to have passport dipped, or scanned at a kiosk.

 

[PERLHR]

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Which one, not that I would have a need for it.
Is it the Aspire at PER T1?

Yes It was the Aspire lounge at PER T1.

 

[Harrison_133]

For those on the ADL/OOL - PER, flight its very unlikely it would be the orange sticker.

As has been stated a number of times now, these flights must operate to/from international terminals on the same flight number all the way. The bilateral requires it.

ADL/OOL-PER being operated as a domestic sector is not a consideration at all. It just can't happen. Passengers will need the orange D sticker on their boarding pass and will be required to go through the international terminals.

It will be exactly the same set up that Jetstar and Qantas have used on domestic tag flights on international sectors for decades now. Virgin's set up will be no different if they are granted these extra Indonesia seats.

 

[twinaisle]

The fact that y'all want VA to set up an international lounge in Per for a very slim international presence yet MEL has 5 International flights.

 

[HS-TQE]

I'm tipping the Bilateral Applications will be split. Both JQ/VA will get the ADL-PER-DPS route slots. I don't think either's chances of getting CNS-MEL-DPS and OOL-PER-DPS respectively are guaranteed as outlined previously by others, it's a clear 'work-around' of the system.

I'd probably would've supported the VA getting both slots had the second route been say, CNS-BNE/SYD-DPS for example, perhaps timed into their partners and/or their own services (e.g the CNS legs timed into VA's own daily HND)

 

[jase05]

I'm tipping the Bilateral Applications will be split. Both JQ/VA will get the ADL-PER-DPS route slots. I don't think either's chances of getting CNS-MEL-DPS and OOL-PER-DPS respectively are guaranteed as outlined previously by others, it's a clear 'work-around' of the system.

I'd probably would've supported the VA getting both slots had the second route been say, CNS-BNE/SYD-DPS for example, perhaps timed into their partners and/or their own services (e.g the CNS legs timed into VA's own daily HND)

I’m all for anything gets another VA 737 service on the ADL-PER route when we have to cop the junk they send here now