Westfield XS card

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Did they know you, or look up your name on any register? What happens if you send family members to buy on your behalf I wonder?
Well they only know me as the same customer who purchased XS cards last week - sending family member in can't work if I want to spend on my cards.

Anybody know exactly how much knowledge will WF be privy to re redemption of XS cards? Like will name of vendor / merchant who accepts these cards be openly exposed to WF?
 
Well they only know me as the same customer who purchased XS cards last week - sending family member in can't work if I want to spend on my cards.

Anybody know exactly how much knowledge will WF be privy to re redemption of XS cards? Like will name of vendor / merchant who accepts these cards be openly exposed to WF?

um...read the thread.
Look at the card redemption history on the noteastpark web site to check

I think the answer is a very large YES.

I think this is a case of CBTDR and another CITPS

And another, hopefully final, edit to add: the sound you hear is MHSMF
 
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your little by line wouldn't be any indication of what's been going on would it?

:)

MMMM I think the answer may be yes to that question too

Can I repeat what's been said over and over in this thread. Be careful with your use of these cards. It would be "silly" to think that Westfield doesn't have a handle on what happens to them. Read the terms and conditions. Try to follow them.
Or alternatively go right on ahead and break the system in the short term for yourself and possibly for all of us in the long term*


*usual disclaimer: YES I do know I started this thread against advice
 
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your little by line wouldn't be any indication of what's been going on would it?

:)

In any case can we have some hints (coded in public of course) or by PM about what may have drawn attention to your dealings?
Want to see if we can add to the knowledge base or whether you have done more circular basic transportation device reinventing

Did you use any flat screen device in the preceding 24 hrs :lol: ?

Would welcome a PM, Cruiser Elite.
 
I just used multiple XS cards at a hotel after a few nights 'not in Paris' where it was happily accepted. No 1.5% CC surcharge of course.
 
Now guys don't get personnel or don't get your knickers in a knot - concierge's exact words - "Management have instructed me to advise you to purchase from the Corporate sector given amounts you are wanting to purchase".
 
From what I can see, the airlines have no problem applying points to accounts so long as they are earnt legitimately through purchases. They are in the business of selling points, they get paid, they supply services to match the points.

The stamp people, where's their beef? They sell the cards, they earn money on the amount deposited on them, they might get a few more counter transactions on reloads than the everyday customer, but they aren't out of pocket.

The finance folk, their machines are being used, they are accepting deposits, but unless the transactions add up to a volume that looks suspiciously like money laundry, I'm guessing they are cool. They are also buying the airline points, but being paid for it by the merchants in real money.

Small traders, utilities people, others who don't like paying merchant fees for credit cards, they aren't going to whine.

Noteastpark are the ones paying for the points. They even have a sign welcoming AMEX. They must be going backwards on each sale of a fully loaded card. Of course they are going to be looking at limiting losses, especially if there are hundreds of people buying thousands of cards on a regular basis.

The solution has to be to find ways of staying under their investigation threshold, and the only way to do that is to keep purchases low and spread out if possible.

What I'm looking for now are other cards with the same capabilities. Treated as purchases - and thus points earners - accepted as normal eftpos cards, with all the normal range of outlets.

Any ideas?
 
What I'm looking for now are other cards with the same capabilities. Treated as purchases - and thus points earners - accepted as normal eftpos cards, with all the normal range of outlets.
When I bought some store cards from Jen's department store and paid on credit card, it earned points. I am not sure if they sell any other types of cards that are actually useful though.
 
Four stores today, only one took AMEX - Bunnings. Used the XS card at the remainder ... effectively scored points for every transaction, nice :)
 
Hi All. Seems to be a few questions here and there about the business model behind the gift cards. I have a little experience with gift cards in a different industry and can explain how it works.

The business makes a small amount of money on the fee at time of sale AND the portion of funds not redeemed. The load fee is generally minor and just covers cost of the card etc. The biggest profit is to be made on non-redemption. I've seen card types that are in the region of 20-25%. And if you've been doing gift cards for quite a while (ie. you have sufficient data to show a trend) you can bank that non-redemption income at the time the card is sold. So for every $100 gift card sold you could be recording $10+ profit irrespective of what the breakage turns out to be when the card expires in a year's time.

If you suddenly have a shift in the breakage percentage, it could mean that you're taking too much income at time of sale and thus your pot of money to cover future redemptions is insufficient. The reason you would be motivated to eliminate high value purchases with 100% redemption is that it could be causing such a shift in breakage percentages and in turn lead your accountants or auditors to force you to take a lower % of card sales as income at time of sale.

So there is very little chance $995 sales with 100% redemption are causing anyone to make a loss, but the impact they could have on the program's metrics could have broader implications to the business unit.
 
So there is very little chance $995 sales with 100% redemption are causing anyone to make a loss, but the impact they could have on the program's metrics could have broader implications to the business unit.
Well, say they are selling a $1 000 card for $5, but they have to pay AMEX 3%. That's gotta be a $25 loss if the card is redeemed in full a few days later. Sell a thousand such cards a week, that's over a million bucks annually, and that's a lot of corn chips.
 
I had to leave $0.35 on an XS card today.....I should of brought that chocolate in the checkout line.........however to help the bottom line of the business I have given the card to my child to play with......that $0.35 is never going to be redeemed......hope they take that into consideration when I ask to buy another tomorrow ;)
 
Hi All. Seems to be a few questions here and there about the business model behind the gift cards. I have a little experience with gift cards in a different industry and can explain how it works.

The business makes a small amount of money on the fee at time of sale AND the portion of funds not redeemed. The load fee is generally minor and just covers cost of the card etc. The biggest profit is to be made on non-redemption. I've seen card types that are in the region of 20-25%. And if you've been doing gift cards for quite a while (ie. you have sufficient data to show a trend) you can bank that non-redemption income at the time the card is sold. So for every $100 gift card sold you could be recording $10+ profit irrespective of what the breakage turns out to be when the card expires in a year's time.

If you suddenly have a shift in the breakage percentage, it could mean that you're taking too much income at time of sale and thus your pot of money to cover future redemptions is insufficient. The reason you would be motivated to eliminate high value purchases with 100% redemption is that it could be causing such a shift in breakage percentages and in turn lead your accountants or auditors to force you to take a lower % of card sales as income at time of sale.

So there is very little chance $995 sales with 100% redemption are causing anyone to make a loss, but the impact they could have on the program's metrics could have broader implications to the business unit.

Thanks for the input. As far as I'm concerned is if they are having trouble with their product and need to take action to combat then trying to single out individuals is fighting a losing battle. The solution is to adjust the rules so people can't take advantage.
 
Thanks for the input. As far as I'm concerned is if they are having trouble with their product and need to take action to combat then trying to single out individuals is fighting a losing battle. The solution is to adjust the rules so people can't take advantage.

be careful what you wish for
 
Anybody know exactly how much knowledge will WF be privy to re redemption of XS cards? Like will name of vendor / merchant who accepts these cards be openly exposed to WF?


As per my post above, WF knew exactly how much, where and when.


However, I would tend to think that as long as your spend is not "narrow" and too quick, that you will be fine.

I do not believe quantity is an issue if the above two parameters are ok.

Corporate will be cheaper.
 
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Well, say they are selling a $1 000 card for $5, but they have to pay AMEX 3%. That's gotta be a $25 loss if the card is redeemed in full a few days later. Sell a thousand such cards a week, that's over a million bucks annually, and that's a lot of corn chips.

I'd be guessing they don't pay 3%

Telstra only charges 1% for Amex use and the ATO is ?1.45% or something like that. So I would imagine that Westfield can get it down a bit too
That said your point is well made.
 
As per my post above, WF knew exactly how much, where and when.

on the back of the card are instructions for checking balance. Do that and a real time list of transactions also appears. They know exactly how much, when and where. To the cent, to the second and likely to the square metre* ;)

anyone who thought otherwise...well what can I say?


*likely an exaggeration with the last one....but not far off either I'd guess
 
I have a little experience with gift cards in a different industry and can explain how it works.

Thanks for that - reading this reminded me to check the energex GC that I got as a rebate for fitting a power saving pool pump.

The card value was $250 & I've got $5.87 left on it. Down to the local F&V tomorrow for a punnet of lovely strawberries :D
 
Thanks every one here for the inputs

Looks likes this card is past it's used by date for around the world trips to visit various post offices to collect stamps :(.

Probably best used where amex is not accepted or surcharged.

Was too good to be true but was fun while it lasted.
 
I rang my non country bank today as some points posted . I received only 1400 and should have been closer to 5000 QFF . I asked about the westfields transactions and was told they didnt post but couldnt give me a reason. A investigation team is looking into it and get back to me within 5 business days . Lucky me !
 
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