Who changed my pre-allocated seat and why?

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BTW I'm not sure how this thread can move forward. Maybe if people do OLCI as soon as possible with VA thereby locking in their preferred seat, instead of waiting until the airport. That seems to work for me. ...
That's how the thread can indeed moved forward, by suggestions that help lock seating in.

The only thing with doing OLCI is it eliminates any flexibility in the booking, but if you are in (one of) your most desired seat(s), and that does lock it in - then by all means OLCI.
 
And this is where things get very hazy. On my flight there were only 4, possibly 5, people sitting in row 3.

The simplest solution would have been for me to remain in 3D and for the other bloke to sit in 3E with his son in 3F. Win win situation for all wouldn't you say? But I would bet he has a friend at VA that swapped seat allocations for him because he was too lazy to pre-allocate 3D for himself....

Perhaps the idea was to keep 3E empty. We know how many gripes there are from the AFF sense of entitlement brigade about the middle seat being occupied!:shock:
 
In the OP VA "could not explain" the reason JohnK had been moved. By about half way through VA had "no good reason" (as opposed to the person he spoke to not knowing what that reason might have been). And now we're alleging the guy who got his original seat had a friend inside VA who deliberately shafted JohnK for nepotistic reasons.

Is this getting silly yet?
 
Perhaps the idea was to keep 3E empty. We know how many gripes there are from the AFF sense of entitlement brigade about the middle seat being occupied!:shock:

If you haven't been told today, then consider yourself told. I have seen very few sense of entitlement gripes about this, including my one experience that a whole heap of people wrongly saw as a sense of entitlement gripe. So IMO your comment is uncalled for and wrong and you can take it [away]


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If you haven't been told today, then consider yourself told. I have seen very few sense of entitlement gripes about this, including my one experience that a whole heap of people wrongly saw as a sense of entitlement gripe. So IMO your comment is uncalled for and wrong and you can take it [away]

The comment was not directed at any individual person. Multiple people have made comments on why is the middle seat occupied when there are free seats further back. Perhaps we have to disagree on whether that comes across as a sense of entitlement or not - but tio me it does.
 
That's how the thread can indeed moved forward, by suggestions that help lock seating in.

The only thing with doing OLCI is it eliminates any flexibility in the booking, but if you are in (one of) your most desired seat(s), and that does lock it in - then by all means OLCI.

Checking in certainly removes the ability to miss the flight or change it to another day (although my experience says that is not set in stone). But one advantage of DJ is Fly ahead, which works even if checked in.


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And yes I know we can all be critical of each airline but I am still getting insurance added to my VA bookings and I have to make sure I uncheck the box. Deception?

Deception? No. If they did the opposite there would be people complaining that they should set it up the other way. IMHO the box should probably be left unpicked though.

I had an issue the other day doing a domestic booking & the JQ website was really slow. The travel insurance box isn't ticked either way - you have to physically ticket the yes & the no yourself & I believed I'd ticked the box for the latter however I was charged for insurance! I had paid the $22.00 to earn points & SC which also had the ability to change reservations at no charge.

JQ do pretick the $18.00 box for 20kg of checked luggage which I managed to untick however IMHO it's probably a better idea for them to autoselect that one to avoid issues at the airport when pax have bags but didn't select the checked baggage box.

Moving from a bassinet is not someone randomly reassigning seats.

It isn't done until the day of departure as (for some reason) they do not know how many bassinet positions there is a requirement for (I dont understand the why here as given they know all pax details surely they should know how many lap infants they have?)

In terms of whether there is a J seat available - there has to be - if they sell 56 J seats and someone with a baby has been allocated initially 16B they just put you in 16B and the baby in 1A.
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If 16B is an exit row it's not possible to allocate exit seats to people who have an infant in the pnr. Ditto for children as long as they've been booked as a "child" passenger type. Frequent what happens is people book the whole family with the "adult" pax type as using the title "Miss" or "Mstr" does not in itself flag the pax as a child.

It's better to have a child edit against the kids anyway as it gives the pnr a higher PCV so you'd get a better choice of seats if you were only NB or no status. Premium pax would already be able to see decent seats anyway.

As for why they can't be preselected earlier - I imagine that it's precisely because some eager person (such as ourselves ;)) has gone ahead an preallocated a bassinet seat despite not needing one, and once that's done the changes are handed over to airport control - who will make the change on the day, based on the priority of infant age (and of course whether the parents bother to remind them to do so as well).

Exactly. If you're WP etc you can allocate your seat the minute you've done the booking which could be weeks away where the best a non-status pax can do is call up res & request a BSCT which unlike international flights, doesn't allocate the seats in front of the bassinet but appears in the Amadeus pnr & Altea closer to departure as an SSR request. End result is the family turns up at the airport expecting to get 23JK because "we requested a bassinet at the time of booking" when in all honesty they've taken every possible step available to them to try & get it inthe firstplace.

Maybe I have been spoiled by Qantas, but it would severely annoy me to be moved out of row 3 on a DJ 737 for row 4; just like it would annoy me to be moved out of row 4 on a Qantas 73H for another row further down.

If that seem precious, then maybe I should no longer fly DJ.

Some years ago I had a Friday flight on a 737 MEL-AKL with a return the next day.

In both case I had 4C preallocated.

I was contacted about 3 hours before the Friday flight by Qantas to apologise to the fact I that I had been moved out of the pre-allocated seats and they could only offer me 4B or an exit aisle seat each way - I chose the exit aisle.¹ When checking in 90 minutes later at the MEL First check-in I was again apologised to.

Now, while that is unlikely to occur these days with the official advent of ÜWP, it illustrates the importance Qantas puts on avoiding moving elites from their pre-allocations.

¹ FWIW, I was very interested in the occupants of "my" seats - as it happened the guy was a bigwig of the ARU and was on the same flights each way - J was sold out (as he is an ex rugby player I was glad I did not take the 4B options).

You'd think the ARU ex-player would've jumped at the chance to grab the exit aisle & they could've left you where you were.

Perhaps Bob Katter:eek:

Wouldn't be him as always travels whY. Rumour has it that once when he received an op-up & asked to be moved back to whY.

The comment was not directed at any individual person. Multiple people have made comments on why is the middle seat occupied when there are free seats further back. Perhaps we have to disagree on whether that comes across as a sense of entitlement or not - but tio me it does.

You'd be surprised at how many people who already have pre-allocated an aisle or window eg in row 7, given the chance will move themselves out of that seat into the middle seats or 4B or 4E. I remember once sitting in 4F thinking that 4E was to remain vacants however the inevitable happened & the guy in the middle seat was like a kid in a candy shop & could barely contain his excitement.
 
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The comment was not directed at any individual person. Multiple people have made comments on why is the middle seat occupied when there are free seats further back. Perhaps we have to disagree on whether that comes across as a sense of entitlement or not - but tio me it does.

I reckon it's quite simple, I would rather sit in 3E than down at 9C on a flight that is only an hour long... I want to get on and off the plane as quick as I can, I can't do that from the further back rows...
 
I reckon it's quite simple, I would rather sit in 3E than down at 9C on a flight that is only an hour long... I want to get on and off the plane as quick as I can, I can't do that from the further back rows...

I gather you only travel with carry on luggage otherwise it's a tad pointless being one of the first off the plane only to have to wait at the luggage carousel for your bag to come off.
 
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You'd think the ARU ex-player would've jumped at the chance to grab the exit aisle & they could've left you where you were.
Two things - there's heaps more comfort in row 4 economy on a 737 than a mere exit row seat & for, forward is what matters.
 
I reckon it's quite simple, I would rather sit in 3E than down at 9C on a flight that is only an hour long... I want to get on and off the plane as quick as I can, I can't do that from the further back rows...

I gather you only travel with carry on luggage otherwise it's a tad pointless being one of the first off the plane only to have to wait at the luggage carousel for your bag to come off.

Since I can currently, always get row 6 aisle with QF there is absolutely no point moving to row 4 middle. There is however a WP on the ADL/SYD route who does take row 4 middle no matter what - another case of some people needing their heads read.
 
Since I can currently, always get row 6 aisle with QF there is absolutely no point moving to row 4 middle. There is however a WP on the ADL/SYD route who does take row 4 middle no matter what - another case of some people needing their heads read.

No happy snaps of the said culprit yet? They can then be added to your collection of other celebs like Kate Ceberano & Lord Downer. :cool:
 
What QF do becomes relevant because you have stated that having your seat changed is a reason not to fly with VA. That would be fine if your seat pre-allocation could *never* be changed when flying the alternative, which is not the case. So the basis of your decision to avoid VA because of change seats is flawed.
Why do people make assumptions or read things that do not exist.

Where did I say that? I would be surprised if I said that and a huge mistake on my part. I believe I said it was simply not good enough to have my pre-allocated seat changed and not that I will never fly VA again.

I have booked a VA flight for April and about to book another one for March. I will continue to book VA flights where Qantas prices are ridiculous and VA's prices provide me a saving.
 
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Since I can currently, always get row 6 aisle with QF there is absolutely no point moving to row 4 middle. There is however a WP on the ADL/SYD route who does take row 4 middle no matter what - another case of some people needing their heads read.

Not only is that not a comfortable seat but I wouldn't do that to other WPs - if someone hsa the chance of extra space and I wont get any extra space by doing it then why move?
 
Unfortunately JohnK is generalising and in doing so, leaving his posts open to attack thereby reducing the credibility of the point he is trying to make..

It does indeed happen with both carriers.

The problem is that this seems to happen with more frequency on DJ flights than with QF.

I have stated this or similar more than once within this thread and no-one has refuted that.

I know, first world problem and all that ...
Debating was never one of my strong points and neither was diplomacy.

This thread had gone in many directions but the key point is still valid. Losing a pre-allocated seat without what I believe is a good reason is simply not good enough. You appear to agree with this point and some are using silly arguments like he was only moved a metre and no difference between row 3 or 4 and Qantas does it. That is not the point.

I have never lost a pre-allocated seat on Qantas unless there was an aircraft change and my pre-allocated seat no longer existed.
 
To be fair.......
Tony that says "So why should I stick with VA when cannot compete on price or service?".

And that post was discussing many things, mainly my observations pre VA status and supposed changes, and I am not even sure losing pre-allocated seats even made it to that post. :confused:
 
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I think it's run it's course :rolleyes:
 
Why do people make assumptions or read things that do not exist.

Where did I say that? I would be surprised if I said that and a huge mistake on my part. I believe I said it was simply not good enough to have my pre-allocated seat changed and not that I will never fly VA again.

I have booked a VA flight for April and about to book another one for March. I will continue to book VA flights where Qantas prices are ridiculous and VA's prices provide me a saving.

I wrote "avoid" not "never". My memory of what you wrote is that you will take DJ as an absolute last resort. (not including Tiger;)). At least was my interpretation of what Tony Hancock quoted
 
Did anyone come up with an answer as to how/why this keeps happening?

BNE-MEL return booked last week for travel next week. At the time had the choice of any seat in row one. Chose 1D for both legs. Logged on last night to check the times, and for the return leg had been moved to 1C with no other free seat left in J.

Not a huge issue, but thought I would give DJ a call to see what the story was. It has happened to me in the past, and judging by the conversation going on in front of me while I was checking in at the lounge last week it happens to others. After a few minutes on hold I decided to give up.

Checked online this morning, and low and behold the outbound leg has now been changed to 1C as well!

Called DJ (you get spoilt with the QF WP line, having to wait 3 mins seemed like forever!) to be told there is nothing they can do, someone else has been allocated 1D. While it is what I was expecting to hear, I had to question if that is the case, why was someone able to move me out of my allocated seat. Without giving me an answer, within a few minutes she had kicked whoever was in 1D back out and put me back in. Win for me, but now obviously the other pax is going to wonder what happened.

I am very interested to find out how/why DJ keep letting this happen? Sure, QF have changed my pre-allocated seat a few times in the last 10 years (maybe 5-10 times?), but 100% of the time it is because of an AC change. 738/767 - 734/767. In the last 9 months with DJ, this has now happened 3 times out of 12 flights! Is the DJ seat allocation system faulty so pax wrongly see seats as being free to choose or is it the DJ reservations staff who let it/cause it to happen?

If 1C was all that was left when I booked last week I would have happily selected it (or 2D even, anything is better than the whY I normally travel!), but it is more a principal thing that I am trying to get to the bottom of.
 
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