Worse than feet on bulkheads

[dajop]

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I'm OK with socked feet on the bulkheads. It's in my book not offensive at all. But the picture you have shown is not feet on bulkheads, its feet on TV screens. That is where the line is in my mind. Below the screens, OK... but on or above them, people do use the screen and controllers actively at times. No one ever really touches the actual bulkheads, other than FA's inserting and removing bassinets.

 

[JohnK]

athat's great, glad it works for you. What works for me on long flights is getting a bulkhead seat, putting my feet up and sleeping. If we happen to be on the same flight, you'll just have to deal with looking at my socks, or you can use the helpful list of suggestions above.

When your feet/socks are at eye level then we have an issue. But I have seen where feet/socks are even higher. You cannot help but notice this when the person is seated next to you.

I may not be able to do anything about it but I still think it's a disgusting habit and I will take photos to post on this thread.

And whenever I do encounter these type of people politeness is out the window and it is game on. I don't take things sitting down too easily. I'll fight back any subtle way I can. I know it will get me into trouble one day but for now no need to change.

 

[drron]

So here is what an FA thinks of feet on the bulkhead.even has Tee shirts to sell-

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https://web.facebook.com/PassengerShaming/?_rdr

 

[Rebekkap]

When your feet/socks are at eye level then we have an issue. But I have seen where feet/socks are even higher. You cannot help but notice this when the person is seated next to you.

I may not be able to do anything about it but I still think it's a disgusting habit and I will take photos to post on this thread.

And whenever I do encounter these type of people politeness is out the window and it is game on. I don't take things sitting down too easily. I'll fight back any subtle way I can. I know it will get me into trouble one day but for now no need to change.

Unless you're a midget, most people's feet are going to be nowhere near your eye level. The many people I've seen with their feet on bulkheads, including my own, are at waist level or slightly higher/lower. If you're so fixated by looking at people's socks that you literally can't look away, you need to get a grip.

As for "fighting back" against someone for putting their feet up to increase their own comfort, in a way that impinges on you, your space and your life in absolutely no way whatsoever, wow. You're obviously a very angry and aggressive person. And yes, if you're "subtly fighting back" against other passengers, you're right, it will get you in trouble one day. If you're ever sitting next to me and do something to "fight back" against me putting my feet on the bulkhead, I can assure you that day will have arrived.

 

[Rebekkap]

So here is what an FA thinks of feet on the bulkhead.even has Tee shirts to sell-

.

https://web.facebook.com/PassengerShaming/?_rdr

That would be one particularly bitter EX-flight attendant. I do enjoy the outrageous pictures they post though.

 

[JohnK]

As for "fighting back" against someone for putting their feet up to increase their own comfort, in a way that impinges on you, your space and your life in absolutely no way whatsoever, wow. You're obviously a very angry and aggressive person. And yes, if you're "subtly fighting back" against other passengers, you're right, it will get you in trouble one day. If you're ever sitting next to me and do something to "fight back" against me putting my feet on the bulkhead, I can assure you that day will have arrived.

Are there many ways to fight back? It doesn't have to be physical right? It can be subtle right?

You take you own comfort way too seriously and place it above everyone else. I can do the same and you can't stop me.

Enough with this debate. Way too aggressive for me.

 

[Rebekkap]

Are there many ways to fight back? It doesn't have to be physical right? It can be subtle right?

You take you own comfort way too seriously and place it above everyone else. I can do the same and you can't stop me.

Enough with this debate. Way too aggressive for me.

You're ok with punching things, but if someone disagrees with you it's "way too aggressive"? Hahahhahahahahahahahahahahhaha

I in no way place my comfort above everyone else. I would never do anything that impinged on another person on a plane or anywhere else. But I won't be uncomfortable simply because your delicate eyes don't like the sight of socks - that's ridiculous. That's you placing your wish not to see socks above everyone else.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

That is where the line is in my mind.

Well I've certainly learned from this recent debate. What I've learned is that the moral compass swings around what individuals consider is OK for themselves (and I include myself in that summation). It seems the only discrepancy of the debate is not whether feet resting where they shouldn't is anti-social (it seems everyone agrees that to be the case), but rather where the anti-social line is ... whether it be no bulkhead resting at all, socked feet OK ... or TV screen height. Of course if one were to believe this convoluted logic, then there are no social faux pas' as there will always be someone who wants to let their self convinced rights take precedence over others. In the words of a great track, "How bizarre, how bizarre".

 

[dajop]

... whether it be no bulkhead resting at all, socked feet OK ... or TV screen height.

I'm not using social faux pas's as a basis for the line, a bit more pragmatic instead. It's potential for damage . Shoes can easily scuff or dirty bulkheads, hence should be removed if going to place feet on them. Feet on TV screens can potentially damage TV screens = not appropriate, really a no brainer, do people put their feet all over their laptop or tablet screens? (Not to mention get feet all over where people will touch the controls ... although arguably less likely to contaminate than unwashed hands.

As for bare feet vs socks discussion, I'll reserve my views on that but there is a generational element in play here too - we'll leave it at the fact that I'm quite surprised at the number of people wandering around with nice pants/jeans, nice shoes and no socks on .

I just think in the list of grievances on airplanes about antisocial behaviour, feet on bulkheads rates way down the list, when you have people hogging armrests, continuously jabbing IFE screens on the back of seat , leaving their seatbelts unbuckled during turbulence (could fall on other passengers), reclining too quickly, reclining while the person behind is trying to eat their meal, people putting in jamming devices to prevent recline, talking on phones during safety demonstration, being generally rude to flight attendants, getting drunk and violent, taking other peoples seats and refusing to move, leaving children to run riot in Y when sleeping in J, etc etc, consuming all the Krug in F p I wish, one day maybe).

 

[Franky]

Given the condition of some of the toilet floors in aircraft I have travelled in over the years, and the fact that many passengers remove their shoes during flight and leave them off whilst visiting the loo, there should be no ifs, buts or maybes about socked or bare feet on any bulkhead, seat back, seat tray and/or IFE screen.

 

[JohnK]

I'm OK with socked feet on the bulkheads. It's in my book not offensive at all. But the picture you have shown is not feet on bulkheads, its feet on TV screens. That is where the line is in my mind. Below the screens, OK... but on or above them, people do use the screen and controllers actively at times. No one ever really touches the actual bulkheads, other than FA's inserting and removing bassinets.

What if those feet were above the TV screen? Not acceptable but not touching TV screen?

 

[dajop]

Given the condition of some of the toilet floors in aircraft I have travelled in over the years, and the fact that many passengers remove their shoes during flight and leave them off whilst visiting the loo, there should be no ifs, buts or maybes about socked or bare feet on any bulkhead, seat back, seat tray and/or IFE screen.

Yes we're all paranoid about the nasties on the floor, but not so concerned about what might be on the door handle or on the hands of people who may or may not wash their hands after visiting the toilet - and those hands ARE going to get over other surfaces people generally touch with their hands. Seriously, pathogens picked up on the socks of someone from the toilet floor, then deposited on a surface very few people touch with their bare hands - and certainly don't eat off - are going to seriously affect the health of other passengers. I think much more to worry about from a health perspective from sneezing, coughing and unwashed hands...

What if those feet were above the TV screen? Not acceptable but not touching TV screen?

That's not anti-social, that's just plain ridiculous, I don't ever recall too much of that going on. I am sure there are exceptions. The vast vast majority of people with their feet on bulkheads have them at or below waist height....

 

[Rebekkap]

Given the condition of some of the toilet floors in aircraft I have travelled in over the years, and the fact that many passengers remove their shoes during flight and leave them off whilst visiting the loo, there should be no ifs, buts or maybes about socked or bare feet on any bulkhead, seat back, seat tray and/or IFE screen.

I can't speak for anyone else of course, but I would NEVER go to the airplane toilet (or indeed a toilet anywhere!) in socks! I always put shoes or slippers back on to visit the toilet, and they then get taken off again before my socks go back on the bulkhead (but never of course on a seat back, seat tray or IFE screen)

 

[Deleted member 29185]

I can't speak for anyone else of course, but I would NEVER go to the airplane toilet (or indeed a toilet anywhere!) in socks! I always put shoes or slippers back on to visit the toilet, and they then get taken off again before my socks go back on the bulkhead (but never of course on a seat back, seat tray or IFE screen)

Once again, you assume that everyone do as you do. I hate to be the one who breaks it to you, but no they don't. I assume you will now state it's only about what you do ....

 

[Deleted member 29185]

That's not anti-social, that's just plain ridiculous, I don't ever recall too much of that going on. I am sure there are exceptions. The vast vast majority of people with their feet on bulkheads have them at or below waist height....

So the vast, vast majority of the minority who partake in anti-social bulkhead trekking have feet below waist height on the bulkheads which equates to acceptable behaviour?? Umm, no it doesn't.

 

[Rebekkap]

Once again, you assume that everyone do as you do. I hate to be the one who breaks it to you, but no they don't. I assume you will now state it's only about what you do ....

Of course I'm not talking about what other people do - did you miss literally the first sentence of my previous answer where I said I can't speak for anyone else? We are all only responsible for our own behaviour, and I have repeatedly made it clear I'm only talking about what I do and why I don't think it's antisocial. Spreading the contents of the toilet floor around the plane is disgusting (although as dajop points out above, it's actually more likely to happen and will be more problematic through touching the toilet door handles if someone hasn't washed their hands - particularly as they could well spread stomach bugs that way, whereas the urine on the toilet floor, while gross, is at least sterile).

People do many and varied disgusting things. Putting clean (and I have repeatedly stated, clean only) socks (not shoes or bare feet) on a bulkhead is not one of them.

 

[Rebekkap]

So the vast, vast majority of the minority who partake in anti-social bulkhead trekking have feet below waist height on the bulkheads which equates to acceptable behaviour?? Umm, no it doesn't.

Um, yes it does.

See how that works? My response is just as cogent as your argument that it's not acceptable. Honestly, this is ridiculous. If you think it's rude to put your feet on a bulkhead, don't do it. But other people doing it doesn't affect you, so I really don't see why you care.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Of course I'm not talking about what other people do ... I have repeatedly made it clear I'm only talking about what I do

I really don't see why you care.

I don't really care at all. I'm just stating that regardless of what you do, it is anti-social to the majority and I've provided the reasons as to why. You may wish to re-read the title of the thread as you seem confused. It is "Worse than feet on bulkheads". It is not "Worse than Rebekkap's feet on bulkheads". It may surprise you, but this thread, about which most of us are commenting, is generic ... not all about you my friend!

 

[MickC32]

I am far more offended by people sitting in bulkhead seats reclining when they have more room than anyone else, than by those people putting their feet up on the bulkhead.....but that's just me and a whole other story!

 

[Cruiser Elite]

FWIW - IMHO - this thread is degenerating to a level way beneath the norm of the usual AFF family concept. As always YMMV.