2019 Federal Election Discussion

[Isochronous]

Drron, you do agree though that the right/more conservative members of the coalition government have had a powerful position? The party was dragged much more to the right under their influence.

I tend to disagree on your assessment of Turnbull - to get the top job he had to court the right and was effectively without the ability to put his stamp on government. Many, including me, had high hopes but in the end he couldn’t perform. IMO Abbott was much more of a destabilising influence both within the house and through his many public speeches/pronouncements.

Turnbull had the option of including Abbott in his Cabinet (as Abbott graciously included Turnbull in his), but Turnbull chose to leave him on the backbench and continued running a campaign against him. As a backbencher, Abbott was totally free to speak his mind and was not bound by Cabinet solidarity. He loyally campaigned for Turnbull's election in 2016, unlike Turnbull who spent the 2010 campaigning sniping at Abbott and then as a Cabinet minister leaked like a sieve and even in his public statements continued to take pot shots.

 

[tgh]

An insightful moment was Penny.W wistfully musing that if we want to do stuff we have to get the money from somewhere….

 

[Quickstatus]

My pooling booth does not have sausage sizzles, cake stall or coffee stall. However the local Bunnings sausage sizzle was operational

Self interest and ignorance tend to dominate in a right-leaning electorate?

It’s quite incredulous to say that millions of voters are self interested and ignorant. If so then the same could easily be said of the other side

 

[Quickstatus]

Don't forget "Mediscare".

I thought the Labor Party are not into scare campaigns...

 

[Quickstatus]

I volunteered at my kids school to help with the democracy sausage and cake stall and the cakes were all gone before lunch and the snags and bacon & egg rolls were done by 4pm. We packed up and left by 5pm. I'm told that people were disappointed right up until the polls closing. These elections are great for fundraising, bring on the next one! We'll be btter prepared though

I don’t understand it. MstrQS1 and MstrQS2 votes in their first Federal election.

(They voted for the winning side - I just told them that the other side wants to bring in Inheritance Taxes ).

They mentioned that their polling booth did not have any sausage sizzle, cake stall or coffee stand. However there was a Bunnings sausage sizzle on the Sunday.

 

[serfty]

I thought the Labor Party are not into scare campaigns...

FWIW, at least one of the tactics used in "Mediscare" has been illegal since June last year.

Jail time for 'Mediscare' campaign tactics

Legislation has passed parliament to make impersonating a commonwealth agency illegal in response to Labor's 'Mediscare' campaign in 2016.

www.sbs.com.au

The measure is part of a suite of changes to electoral laws aimed at stamping out campaigns like Labor's so-called "Mediscare" during the 2016 election, which used a text message purporting to be from Medicare.

 

[Quickstatus]

Agree @serfty. Each election is multidimensional.

I was just referring to the Labor party saying they ran a clean campaign this time and accusing (with a straight face) the other side of playing dirty.

 

[dajop]

However it may have been a bad election to win as the world economic outlook really isn't rosy.Though I am sticking to my forecast that the major crash will be ~2026
Also this may be the same as Keating's unwinnable election in 1992.The next time the ALP was smashed.The same is likely to happen to the Libs next time.

Yes reading various comments suggesting that Labor may have dodged a bullet this time.

 

[dajop]

The other thing, who on earth in Labor thought that they could pick a fight with Murdoch and come out on top?

 

[Moody]

Presidential style?. Didn’t know that was wrong. Was Ok for Kevin07
Spin lies?. And the losing side didn’t lie?
Many people in this country (more than 1:3) with income actually pay no net tax - even negative tax. I see nothing wrong with that. Let’s make it fair - take tax credits from one group?. Then you should take tax credits away from all. Ban the tax refund.
When you call someone a boofhead, and someone else stupid (can’t count) you negate much of your narrative.

There is nothing to stop a party from glossing over the fact that their team is neither talented or representative of the population they claim to represent. If the public buy it, then it's obviously the right thing to do. Why they buy it in the era of revolving leadership puzzles me.

Oh - both sides lie. But only one side was putting up reforms that the other side could lie about.

Tax credits are fine. They are based in part on the principle of not being taxed twice. Tax refunds are simply the final reckoning that you have paid too much tax up front. But a refund of something you have never paid????? Sorry - that is the epitome of self interest and greed. How many other countries do this, BTW?

Boofhead is a term of endearment for a PM who likes to kick footballs and wear baseball caps to show he is one of us. Dutton is an idiot for forcing a leadership spill without doing the numbers first, and then driving away many of the precious few women in the Coalition with the aggressive tactics when the penny dropped. And someone else here called Bill Shorten a loser, but since this is AFF there were no complaints.

 

[cove]

Our SMSF just banked the franking credits for 2018. Not every investment has franked dividends but it helps keep the wolf from the door.

 

[cove]

Does someone have a copy of Bill Shorten’s victory speech ? I believe it was lodged with a newspaper ready for a Sunday edition.

 

[Quickstatus]

Oh - both sides lie. But only one side was putting up reforms that the other side could lie about

Well the other side hid their policies, took them off their website, refused to answer questions about the cost

New women coming into the Liberals after this election. Didn’t need red stilettos or the gender card

 

[Toad]

The Australian people have spoken there is nothing else to say.

 

[DC3]

The Australian people has spoken there is nothing else to say.

In that case, might have to get the 2022 Federal Election Discussion forum going soon.

 

[Toad]

In that case, might have to get the 2022 Federal Election Discussion forum going soon.

Yes, and IMO perhaps we can get the ALP to continue down the left wing/greens ideology and hand another one to the Coalition

 

[DC3]

Yes, and IMO perhaps we can get the ALP to continue down the left wing/greens ideology and hand another one to the Coalition

...or the Economy might just upset the apple cart by then.

 

[Hvr]

The Australian people has spoken there is nothing else to say.

Well actually there's lots to ask and say. And the beauty of Australia is that we can ask and openly question our politicians regardless of their political leanings be they right to centrist to left leaning.

We can and will ask how did this happen? But at the end of the day we will stand back and let the LNP coalition led by Scott Morrison govern. The other parties will perform the various checks and balances but once legislation is passed by both chambers and signed off by the GG then it's law.

None of us will agree with everything the government delivers but we all hope that it is ultimately good for Australia.

And we know that come 2022 we can do it all again.

 

[Isochronous]

Boofhead is a term of endearment for a PM who likes to kick footballs and wear baseball caps to show he is one of us. Dutton is an idiot for forcing a leadership spill without doing the numbers first, and then driving away many of the precious few women in the Coalition with the aggressive tactics when the penny dropped. And someone else here called Bill Shorten a loser, but since this is AFF there were no complaints.

Turnbull unilaterally decided to declare the leadership vacant without telling anyone. Dutton merely ran for a vacant position! The result vindicates his decision to do so (which precipitated Turnbull's demise) and so we should thank Dutton and the 45 others who signed the petition to remove the Wentworth Waffler.

Julia Banks has been proven to have no credibility - she couldn't give any examples of bullying and in fact it was revealed that her company was sued due to Banks apparently engaging in the same activity she was criticised for! Glad to see that hypocrite lose badly in Flinders.

 

[Toad]

Well actually there's lots to ask and say. And the beauty of Australia is that we can ask and openly question our politicians regardless of their political leanings be they right to centrist to left leaning.

We can and will ask how did this happen? But at the end of the day we will stand back and let the LNP coalition led by Scott Morrison govern. The other parties will perform the various checks and balances but once legislation is passed by both chambers and signed off by the GG then it's law.

None of us will agree with everything the government delivers but we all hope that it is ultimately good for Australia.

And we know that come 2022 we can do it all again.

Yes all true but once again at the end of the day the punters still get the final say.