Abbott in Government

[straitman]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Seems Hide the Boats is a complete waste of time. Seems te world is connected by electronic communications. Who Knew? Not Abbott and co it seems. Looks like we have Buy the Sattelite Phones next.



People smuggler ridicules Scott Morrison's silence on boat arrivals




The thread topic is Abbott in Government. Not Drsmithy in Government. As you have told me we must comment on what Abbott does. Why do you make this personal about other AFF memebrs?

medhead,

I agree it is off topic but there is nothing personal in anything I have asked.

All I was asking, without response, was if drsmithy is not happy with how Rudd and now Abbott were/are doing things then could he please suggest an alternate approach.

When people are continually negative about something I often ask them what they would see as a positive outcome.

 

[medhead]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

medhead,

I agree it is off topic but there is nothing personal in anything I have asked.

All I was asking, without response, was if drsmithy is not happy with how Rudd and now Abbott were/are doing things then could he please suggest an alternate approach.

When people are continually negative about something I often ask them what they would see as a positive outcome.

It seems that you are attempting to undermine opinion because they are not providing answers or solutions that satisfy you. I thought this was not about changing people's opinion.

 

[straitman]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

It seems that you are attempting to undermine opinion because they are not providing answers or solutions that satisfy you. I thought this was not about changing people's opinion.

medhead,

No undermining and it does not matter if I agree or not.

All I actually want is an answer to the question of what is a better solution than what Rudd and Abbott have done or are doing? If/when that is provided it may enlighten me, and others, as to a better way for this to go forward in the future.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

medhead,

I agree it is off topic but there is nothing personal in anything I have asked.

All I was asking, without response, was if drsmithy is not happy with how Rudd and now Abbott were/are doing things then could he please suggest an alternate approach.

Whoa there, champ.

I answered your questions. Multiple times, in some cases.

 

[Skyring]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

All I actually want is an answer to the question of what is a better solution than what Rudd and Abbott have done or are doing? If/when that is provided it may enlighten me, and others, as to a better way for this to go forward in the future.

Howard's Pacific Solution worked.

If one accepts that asylum-seekers leaving Indonesia for Australia by boat are well clear of the terror they are fleeing in Afghanistan, then obviously they are not running from fear of death, they are seeking a better life.

Entirely understandable and laudable.

The two problems with giving these people priority over others is that first, the boat crossing is dangerous and hundreds lose their lives. We don't tolerate it in any other form of international arrival, so we should not tolerate it, let alone condone it for these arrivals. Second, we are rewarding bad behaviour by letting these people in first.

 

[Skyring]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Isn't it wonderful not having to listen to Kevin Rudd anymore.

It would be lovely if he could learn from past mistakes, but you watch - he'll be out and about undermining whoever thwarts him. Latham is still a public figure, despite being universally criticised. Rudd doesn't have Latham's degree of self-knowledge.

 

[Skyring]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

I'm just glad not to see his selfies. Does anyone else find them really annoying?

I found them amusing. Rather than focus on serious issues he preferred to fool his campaign away.

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Going OT but possibly we shouldn't be too hard on the Greens.Vote in the reps dropped from 11.7% to 8.5%.
In the German election on Sunday the Greens dropped from 11% to 8%.
Just maybe there are some global factors.

 

[mono88]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Going OT but possibly we shouldn't be too hard on the Greens.Vote in the reps dropped from 11.7% to 8.5%.
In the German election on Sunday the Greens dropped from 11% to 8%.
Just maybe there are some global factors.

Good point and not OT at all.
But the German Greens still won 63 seats...down 5 from last election and there is a possibility, though unlikely, they may form a coalition with Merkel to take Government.
For the Aust Greens their vote share is down 3% from the record high in 2010 to roughly 8.5%. But they will still hold 1 HoR seat and 9 Senate seats (2013 result still provisional). They have lost sole balance of power achieved in 2010 in the Senate, from 2014 but will still be part of the rag-tag group holding the balance of power and affecting how Abbott gets legislation through.

Not such a good result for either the German or Aust Greens but hardly down and out.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

All I actually want is an answer to the question of what is a better solution than what Rudd and Abbott have done or are doing?

Criticism of something does not require an alternative to be valid.

Particularly around moral issues.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Howard's Pacific Solution worked.

Define "worked".

If one accepts that asylum-seekers leaving Indonesia for Australia by boat are well clear of the terror they are fleeing in Afghanistan, then obviously they are not running from fear of death, they are seeking a better life.

One the other hand, if one accepts that they still fear persecution in Indonesia, a country not signatory to any UN refugee treaties, then one may believe they are allowed to seek asylum in a country where they do not have such a fear.

Like, say, Australia (at least until the conservatives have their way and they are sufficiently persecuted here to not want to come).

The two problems with giving these people priority over others is that first, the boat crossing is dangerous and hundreds lose their lives.

Yet presumably they feel that risk is the lesser concern.

We don't tolerate it in any other form of international arrival, so we should not tolerate it, let alone condone it for these arrivals.

Tolerate what ?

Second, we are rewarding bad behaviour by letting these people in first.

Asylum seekers and refugees What are the facts – Parliament of Australia
http://www.sbs.com.au/goback/about/factsheets/10/are-refugees-who-arrive-by-boat-queue-jumpers

 

[Alanslegal]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Back in August or thereabouts when Labor was in government they proposed to increase cigarette taxes to something quite substantial over the next few years ....... does anyone know what position Abbott has on these tax increases? Whether he will adopt them or not? Whether Abbott really is a champion of reducing the living costs on ordinary (smoking) Australians? Also bear in mind that Hockey, the now Treasury, did say at that time that the cigarette tax hikes were just Labor trying to "fixing the budget crisis".

 

[medhead]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

medhead,

No undermining and it does not matter if I agree or not.

All I actually want is an answer to the question of what is a better solution than what Rudd and Abbott have done or are doing? If/when that is provided it may enlighten me, and others, as to a better way for this to go forward in the future.

Really?! You certainly had no problems telling me what and how I should post.

As for the best solution to this problem. Palmer had that, fly them here and make them work their butts off. Cost $800 per person not $80000 or whatever abbott is paying PNG. Especially when we consider the major workforce shortages Australia faces over the next 5 to 10 years.

Back in August or thereabouts when Labor was in government they proposed to increase cigarette taxes to something quite substantial over the next few years ....... does anyone know what position Abbott has on these tax increases? Whether he will adopt them or not? Whether Abbott really is a champion of reducing the living costs on ordinary (smoking) Australians? Also bear in mind that Hockey, the now Treasury, did say at that time that the cigarette tax hikes were just Labor trying to "fixing the budget crisis".

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Good luck with that. More blatant fear, lies and scare from the former opposition in their quest for power.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Especially when we consider the major workforce shortages Australia faces over the next 5 to 10 years.

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One of the last things we are going to have in Australia over the next 5 to 10 years are workforce shortages. The opposite, if anything.

 

[mono88]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Back in August or thereabouts when Labor was in government they proposed to increase cigarette taxes to something quite substantial over the next few years ....... does anyone know what position Abbott has on these tax increases? Whether he will adopt them or not? Whether Abbott really is a champion of reducing the living costs on ordinary (smoking) Australians? Also bear in mind that Hockey, the now Treasury, did say at that time that the cigarette tax hikes were just Labor trying to "fixing the budget crisis".

I think it would be unlikely that Abbott would rescind these increases. After all, it was the Libs that introduced GST.

 

[UP4014]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Howard's Pacific Solution worked.

If one accepts that asylum-seekers leaving Indonesia for Australia by boat are well clear of the terror they are fleeing in Afghanistan, then obviously they are not running from fear of death, they are seeking a better life.

Entirely understandable and laudable.

I'm not so sure Howard's solution worked, the world was in boom times and there were less refugees across the globe as a whole, many countries showed less illegal arrivals. As you say in the next sentance, they were running from poverty which is certainly understandable.

 

[Pukka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

So Joe Hockey has asked the ATO to send us a tax receipt itemizing where all your tax goes.

That'll be an interesting read!

 

[codash1099]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

So Joe Hockey has asked the ATO to send us a tax receipt itemizing where all your tax goes.

That'll be an interesting read!

They're full of good ideas.

 

[medhead]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

The problem with Abs love:

In summary, McAuley says we need to understand the risks of being too dependent on natural resources, break from our old obsession with producing physical products, focus on increasing customer value and not just reducing costs, get rid of the class struggle model of economic activity, stop thinking the only goal is job creation and develop realistic ideas about the rate of profitability.

''We pay far too little attention to our human capital. We still see education expenditure as an expense, or even as a welfare entitlement. And we pay even less attention to our environmental, social and institutional capital,'' he concludes.

It's hard to imagine Abbott has any of these things in his field of vision.

Coalition heading backwards with first steps

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One of the last things we are going to have in Australia over the next 5 to 10 years are workforce shortages. The opposite, if anything.

I can't find the exact figure I read that there will be 1 person to do 2 current jobs. I thought it was in one of those fact checker things related to the election. It might have been in a Bernard Salt column in the Oz. However, the Baby boom does mean that the Australian workforce will be contracting, I can at least find something that supports that even if there is no hard numbers.

Fact checker: Can Tony Abbott create two million jobs in a decade?

 

[kimjongun]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Mr Head. Your strong politics view makes me feeling that you like many other supporters of Australia communist party ( ) is very single minded and not prepared to give new Australia government a fair go at fixing wrong of last government. Maybe a trip to Pyongyang to cool out for a while and relaxing in splendor of Communist governing with dictator will help with your strong view and angry!