Abbott in Government

[james4321]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

I guess this is so he has time to allow Murdoch and Pell to tell him what to say ..? Button up: Abbott to keep ministers in check

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Pretty much all of those problems are the result of Howard & Costello's policies, putting another Coalition Government in isn't going to change a thing (well, it might accelerate the decline slightly).

You give Howard/Costello too much credit.The same sort of problems lie ahead for the USA,Europe and Japan.So I am not sure that they deserve the credit for changing the whole Western World's economy.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

You people with your binary view of the world really do get tiresome.

That's the funniest thing you've posted here.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

You give Howard/Costello too much credit.The same sort of problems lie ahead for the USA,Europe and Japan.So I am not sure that they deserve the credit for changing the whole Western World's economy.

Right. So now that the Coalition is in power, suddenly the rest of the world does have an influence on Australia's economy.

At least you're consistently inconsistent.

 

[medhead]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Umm, Open Government

Button up: Abbott to keep ministers in check

 

[JohnK]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Current Australian population is over 23.1m... maybe there has been more of these boat arrivals than we have been told.

It is not just the boat arrivals.

There is a bigger plan in play here that most do not see. If you spread poverty around the world this does not make the world a better place. In fact it makes it worse.

Europe is falling apart at the seams and it isn't all financial. You would think we should know better.

 

[medhead]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Imagine the outrage from the Abs lovers if this guy was a union boss. It must be a rort paying for an employee's private home.

Www.smh.com.au/business/no-expense-spared-in-a-moving-bhp-experience-20130925-2uelt.html

 

[mono88]

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Imagine the outrage from the Abs lovers if this guy was a union boss. It must be a rort paying for an employee's private home.

Www.smh.com.au/business/no-expense-spared-in-a-moving-bhp-experience-20130925-2uelt.html

Standard practice for expats in large corporates for many years. Many companies are now tighter with these expenses than before.

 

[Pushka]

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Imagine the outrage from the Abs lovers if this guy was a union boss. It must be a rort paying for an employee's private home.

Www.smh.com.au/business/no-expense-spared-in-a-moving-bhp-experience-20130925-2uelt.html

Since when does the financial arrangements in a company have anything to do with Unions, Labor, or Abs lovers - not that I know who Abs lovers are. Are you suggesting there is some kind of parallel between a union boss and an employee in a company?

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Right. So now that the Coalition is in power, suddenly the rest of the world does have an influence on Australia's economy.

At least you're consistently inconsistent.

Now you must know your comment has nothing to do with what I said.
But I could equally misrepresent those ALP fanbois(and just to be sure you understand I am not referring to you) as blaming the world for the GFC and giving our Government undue credit whilst already pouncing on TA that the economy now is all TAs fault.

I personally think that the world situation greatly affected the Australian economy in the last 6 years but after a sharp downturm mainly in the positive with Chinese demand pushing up the prices particularly of iron ore and coal thus boosting our economy.

I also agree Howard/Costello also didn't do the best by the Australian economy but mainly,unlike your opinion,not on the income side but by excessive spending.But let's be clear on the measure that you and others use,that is % of GDP,the 2 highest spending Governments are first Hawke/Keating and Rudd/Gillard/Swan.Hence my critiscism of the last Government.

 

[drsmithy]

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Now you must know your comment has nothing to do with what I said.

I don't really keep track, but I'm pretty sure you've been one of the usual suspects blaming any and all economic problems of the last few years whole and solely on Rudd and Gillard, and attributing none of it to external factors.

But I could equally misrepresent those ALP fanbois(and just to be sure you understand I am not referring to you) as blaming the world for the GFC and giving our Government undue credit whilst already pouncing on TA that the economy now is all TAs fault.

I cannot parse the first half of that sentence.
People are "pouncing" on TA about the economy because despite telling all and sundry it's been a complete trainwreck for the last six years - particularly in terms of excessive spending - he's basically not doing anything differently.

I also agree Howard/Costello also didn't do the best by the Australian economy but mainly,unlike your opinion,not on the income side but by excessive spending.But let's be clear on the measure that you and others use,that is % of GDP,the 2 highest spending Governments are first Hawke/Keating and Rudd/Gillard/Swan.Hence my critiscism of the last Government.

Right. So when it's a metric that goes in favour of your bias, it's fine to use, but when it doesn't, it's not.

Like I said, at least you're consistent.

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

No using my usual metric of inflation adjusted dollars spending the result is the same.I didn't use it only because you don't accept it.Hence the % of GDP use.
At least you are consistently getting my thoughts wrong.

 

[medhead]

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Since when does the financial arrangements in a company have anything to do with Unions, Labor, or Abs lovers - not that I know who Abs lovers are. Are you suggesting there is some kind of parallel between a union boss and an employee in a company?

They are both incorporate entities that are entitled to spend their money in ANY WAY that they see fit. The double standard in how unions choose to spend their money is telling.

 

[medhead]

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Standard practice for expats in large corporates for many years. Many companies are now tighter with these expenses than before.

Spending the money is not the issue that I'm raising.

 

[mono88]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

It is not just the boat arrivals.

There is a bigger plan in play here that most do not see. If you spread poverty around the world this does not make the world a better place. In fact it makes it worse.

Europe is falling apart at the seams and it isn't all financial. You would think we should know better.

This may not be fully on topic about Abbott in government....but
I might be one of those who cannot see the plan, as I am a little confused by the plan on spreading poverty around the world. What is this plan? Who devised it and who is implementing it? How much is it costing? Is it working?

I am also confused about Europe falling apart at the seams in a non-financial sense. Are you referring to overpopulation, racial tensions, Government political tensions, high unemployment, the possible break-up of the EU?

 

[drsmithy]

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No using my usual metric of inflation adjusted dollars spending the result is the same.I didn't use it only because you don't accept it.Hence the % of GDP use.
At least you are consistently getting my thoughts wrong.

I seem to recall you didn't place quite as much value on the metric of taxation as a percentage of GDP, to demonstrate how Howard & Costello were amongst the highest taxing Governments of recent memory.

Here's a graph of Government expenditure as a %age of GDP. Note how much higher Howard's expenditure was than Hawk & Keatings, and the spike for Gillard & Rudd came after the GFC.

Here's one of of Government spending in dollars. That's a pretty linear trend.

Here's one of taxation revenue as a %age of GDP. Note how much higher taxing Howard's Government was.

 

[mono88]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Spending the money is not the issue that I'm raising.

You may have raised other issues, but you did refer to a rort, which is a scam or fraud or misappropriation of money. From the report you quoted I did not see any evidence of this.

 

[Pushka]

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They are both incorporate entities that are entitled to spend their money in ANY WAY that they see fit. The double standard in how unions choose to spend their money is telling.

There is a difference in spending when a company earns their income from production of a product or service (that no one has to buy) versus spending that relies on subscriptions from others whom in some circumstances, if they want to work, have no choice but to pay.

Morally and ethically anyway. Which is an oxymoron here.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

You may have raised other issues, but you did refer to a rort, which is a scam or fraud or misappropriation of money. From the report you quoted I did not see any evidence of this.

I'd call someone getting paid $700k relocation, particularly including paying the stamp duty on a home purchase, as a rort.

Something doesn't need to be outside of the rules to be a rort. For example, the "airline gold pass" that ex-PMs get is a complete and utter rort, but within the rules of the system.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

There is a difference in spending when a company earns their income from production of a product or service (that no one has to buy) versus spending that relies on subscriptions from others whom in some circumstances, if they want to work, have no choice but to pay.

It's the shareholders who "pay".

Do you think shareholders get any more or less say than union members ?