Abbott in Government

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

No mate you lost the argument long ago.You have given me no facts.I am as entitled as you to have a view on the quality or otherwise of the TP interview.To me your opinion is also incredibly biased.
And I gave you my facts-and just to make sure you understand they are as much facts as your opinion-

It was a bill Shorten performance as when he said I don't know what she said but I fully support what the PM said.
TP knew that what TA has done is wrong but didn't know why he was wrong and couldn't say what he should do.
I even later read the transcript here-
Insiders - 24/11/2013: Tanya Plibersek joins Insiders - Insiders - ABC

Says a lot that you thought that was considered.
Neither she nor you know what has been going on in private by TA.And that is the way diplomacy must be tackled.Not caving in to biased public pressure.

Of course all of us also don't know what advice TA is getting from DSD and all other intelligence operatives.So saying that TA is speaking nonsense is just a reflection of the fact that those saying it just don't like TA.

 

[Pukka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Yep - they are unedited quotes. From separate conversations between different posters (you, me, and Pukka makes three). Mixing them up can be confusing but I think you know that, don't you?



I was stunned by your chosen slur that inferred Tanya shreiks, and your very very biassed opinion that it was a "pathetic performance", and I was hoping that you would back those 2 assertions up with facts. Feel free not to do so. Again.



So how exactly do you know :-

A. Whether Pukka actually saw the interview?
B. What Pukka's previously held opinion of Tanya was?
C. Whether Pukka likes you?

Unless, of course, you ARE Pukka. In that case you are entitled to reply.... if not then I think you are being presumptious.




No - I think that you chose the wrong post to hit "Reply With Quote" on, but my comment to that effect should be seen as a throw-away line. The fact that it has been made the main subject leads me to the opinion that you are losing the argument and are clutching at unrelated straws. N'est-ce pas?

Ok I'm at work so I don't have time but

A Yes I did see it & I thought she was poor & I've listened to plenty of very poor question time performances too

B As minister for health I've taken a particular interest in her "work" and I've come to the conclusion that if her lips are moving you can be assured she is producing more tripe than the local abattoir

C I've never met Dronn but I do like the way he injects a good dose of common sense into a topic

Back to work

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Every party has duds. For the ALP it's TP - someone had to fill the void caused by a couple of recent resignations...

 

[HarryB]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

I doubt that poll result would be repeated if there was an election in a couple of weeks. I don't believe that this government has done enough to cause such a turnaround in the polls in such a short time.

I suspect the next poll may well tell a different story although some people are certainly fickle.

Coalition still 1.30 with the bookmakers for the next election

I agree. It's too short a time for the honeymoon to be over however given Abbott's approval rating has yet to hit 50% since the election that has to be a concern. One poll never tells a proper story so we will see over the coming months exactly how the public think the government is going.

PS. Can you taste relegation yet, Pukka

 

[Moody]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

No mate you lost the argument long ago.You have given me no facts.I am as entitled as you to have a view on the quality or otherwise of the TP interview.To me your opinion is also incredibly biased.
And I gave you my facts-and just to make sure you understand they are as much facts as your opinion-

"My facts" must be a new term for ridiculous bias. Maybe you missed the reason this has turned so pear-shaped, I invite you to consult this article :-

No Cookies | thetelegraph.com.au

So is the Murdoch press also "incredibly biased"(sic)? They seem to back Tanya's opinion that Despicable T has failed miserably to deal with this issue.

Any other part of her interview that you would like to directly quote? Makes it easier to see what you are getting at if you do, rather than just hear your confected outrage at something she supposedly said.

 

[HarryB]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

"My facts" must be a new term for ridiculous bias. Maybe you missed the reason this has turned so pear-shaped, I invite you to consult this article :-

No Cookies | thetelegraph.com.au

So is the Murdoch press also "incredibly biased"(sic)? They seem to back Tanya's opinion that Despicable T has failed miserably to deal with this issue.

Any other part of her interview that you would like to directly quote? Makes it easier to see what you are getting at if you do, rather than just hear your confected outrage at something she supposedly said.

Judging by some of the comments there are some lovely people who read that publication.

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

]"My facts" must be a new term for ridiculous bias[/B]. Maybe you missed the reason this has turned so pear-shaped, I invite you to consult this article :-

No Cookies | thetelegraph.com.au

So is the Murdoch press also "incredibly biased"(sic)? They seem to back Tanya's opinion that Despicable T has failed miserably to deal with this issue.

Any other part of her interview that you would like to directly quote? Makes it easier to see what you are getting at if you do, rather than just hear your confected outrage at something she supposedly said.

Nowhere in that article was any suggestion that TA has failed miserably.In fact the only person quoted who has any background in intelligence gathering supported TA-

Independent MP and former intelligence officer Andrew Wilkie claimed that the outrage over the claims was confected and "theatre" as all countries knew that other countries spied on them.
"Give the agencies a break, of course they are out there spying," he said.

As to something she supposedly said I quoted from the ABC's websites transcript of the interview.Nothing supposedly about it.

The bolded part of your reply describes you to a T.

 

[Moody]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Nowhere in that article was any suggestion that TA has failed miserably.

So the quoted tweet from the Indonesian President himself means nothing ????

"I also regret the statement of Australian Prime Minister that belittled this tapping matter on Indonesia, without any remorse." - SBY

Must be some sort of nuanced diplomatic language that is over my head .....

As to something she supposedly said I quoted from the ABC's websites transcript of the interview.Nothing supposedly about it.

Please point out where you have actually quoted Tanya Plibersek's words from the transcript.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

So the quoted tweet from the Indonesian President himself means nothing ????

"I also regret the statement of Australian Prime Minister that belittled this tapping matter on Indonesia, without any remorse." - SBY

.

It is a sad day when tweets define political relationships.

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

So the quoted tweet from the Indonesian President himself means nothing ????

"I also regret the statement of Australian Prime Minister that belittled this tapping matter on Indonesia, without any remorse." - SBY

Must be some sort of nuanced diplomatic language that is over my head .....



Please point out where you have actually quoted Tanya Plibersek's words from the transcript.

Just because the Indonesian president said that does not mean TA is in the wrong.In fact some in the field of International studies believe it is the Indonesian president who is being foolish-
John Lee: A Self-Defeating Spy Scandal in Indonesia - WSJ.com

You can google the headline if the pay wall comes up.

 

[Moody]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Just because the Indonesian president said that does not mean TA is in the wrong.In fact some in the field of International studies believe it is the Indonesian president who is being foolish-
John Lee: A Self-Defeating Spy Scandal in Indonesia - WSJ.com

You can google the headline if the pay wall comes up.

Sorry dron - I'm not going to give up ..... I know there's some good in you.

So we should ignore what the Indonesisn President has said publicly, and instead pick and chose our response from the media. I'm surprised you didn't quote an Andrew Bolt article - he normally has the best ideas I'm sure you will agree.

And I am still waiting to hear about those quotes from Tanya Plibersek's interview. My browser has unfortunately deleted some of your posts. I say this because the alternative (that you are lying) is too shocking for Pukka and amaroo to bear. They might even stop liking you!

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

It is a sad day when tweets define political relationships.

Probably made by some underage sweatshop intern with skin in the people smugglers game......bit of a joke around!

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Well there is the transcript for you-
Insiders - 24/11/2013: Tanya Plibersek joins Insiders - Insiders - ABC

At least my article quotes someone in the field of international relations rather than your load of journalistic opinion.
About time you lot got some facts on why you think TAs performance re the bugging scandal is poor.
You will of course just drag out another journalists opinion.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Nowhere in that article was any suggestion that TA has failed miserably.In fact the only person quoted who has any background in intelligence gathering supported TA-

Wilkie is attacking a straw man. The outrage here isn't coming from the mere fact that spying has happened, but the type of spying and how its exposure was handled.

No-one with a modicum of common sense believes that Australia doesn't spy on Indonesia, or should stop doing so (and vice versa).

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

It is a sad day when tweets define political relationships.

It's a sad day when the method of message's delivery is considered more important than its content.

I imagine back when the telegraph was invented people like you were bah-humbugging because everyone knew that if a message didn't come in a letter with a wax seal, it wasn't worth knowing about.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

It's a sad day when the method of message's delivery is considered more important than its content.

I imagine back when the telegraph was invented people like you were bah-humbugging because everyone knew that if a message didn't come in a letter with a wax seal, it wasn't worth knowing about.

Utter tripe.

Are we now not allowed to comment on the manner in which political messages are made without having a character assassination from others?

 

[tgh]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Wilkie is attacking a straw man. The outrage here isn't coming from the mere fact that spying has happened, but the type of spying and how its exposure was handled.

No-one with a modicum of common sense believes that Australia doesn't spy on Indonesia, or should stop doing so (and vice versa).

It seems to me that my original postulate (lefties lie as a badge of honour ) remains unchallenged and is reinforced by these constant vacuous , anti ta , arguments.
TA simply said we spy ( you spy we all spy) ….and he regrets the offence this public disclosure has caused.
The anti ta arguments here are supporting public lying and media diplomacy… cheap, shallow , and lacking in class and intellect…

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Wilkie is attacking a straw man. The outrage here isn't coming from the mere fact that spying has happened, but the type of spying and how its exposure was handled.

No-one with a modicum of common sense believes that Australia doesn't spy on Indonesia, or should stop doing so (and vice versa).

So if nobody believes we should stop spying on Indonesia what exactly does an apology do apart from marking us as an easy target to be blackmailed in the future.
Apart from people invoking Barack Obama's apology to Angela Merkel you have no proof that TA is wrong not to apologise.Besides the Germans and other Europeans are still upset despite the apology.A CNN poll says that 53% of Americans think Obama is untrustworthy.
So do you have any other evidence.At least Andrew Wilkie has been an intelligence officer,John Lee who wrote the WSJ article I referenced is from the Syd uni Centre for International security Studies.I certainly place a lot more credence on their thoughts than random ABC or Fairfax commentators.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Even Gillard said TA shouldn't apologise.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Utter tripe.

Are we now not allowed to comment on the manner in which political messages are made without having a character assassination from others?

Utter tripe.

Are we not allowed to comment on how vacuous an opinion is without being accused of "character assassination" ?