Abbott in Government

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

It seems to me that my original postulate (lefties lie as a badge of honour ) remains unchallenged and is reinforced by these constant vacuous , anti ta , arguments.

Probably because the gross dishonesty with which the right has enthusiastically proceeded over the last six years (if not longer) make any implication it's the sole domain of "lefties" laughable.

It'd be nice if the conservative commentariat were as hung up about their heroes lying all the time, rather than only when it's convenient for their arguments.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

So if nobody believes we should stop spying on Indonesia what exactly does an apology do apart from marking us as an easy target to be blackmailed in the future.

It plays the game.

Apart from people invoking Barack Obama's apology to Angela Merkel you have no proof that TA is wrong not to apologise.

What would you define as "proof" ?

Besides the Germans and other Europeans are still upset despite the apology.

Who has made even the vaguest suggestion that an apology would magically make any and all offense disappear ?

A CNN poll says that 53% of Americans think Obama is untrustworthy.

And ?

So do you have any other evidence.At least Andrew Wilkie has been an intelligence officer,John Lee who wrote the WSJ article I referenced is from the Syd uni Centre for International security Studies.I certainly place a lot more credence on their thoughts than random ABC or Fairfax commentators.

Of course you do. I'm sure you place a lot more credence on the thoughts of random News Ltd commentators as well.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Even Gillard said TA shouldn't apologise.

I'll have to remember how highly you regard Gillard's statements the next time you're whinging about carbon pricing.

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

It plays the game.

So if it is only a game why should TA apologise?


What would you define as "proof" ?

Any evidence from credible sources-ie those that have some international security experience.


Who has made even the vaguest suggestion that an apology would magically make any and all offense disappear ?

Well you suggested the Obama apology as a way TA should go.Again if it would make no difference why should he apologise.


And ?

the apology hasn't won him many friends at home-important when considering political implications.

Of course you do. I'm sure you place a lot more credence on the thoughts of random News Ltd commentators as well.

I certainly would rank most of them above the SMHs Mike Carlton and the arrogant red bandanna.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

So if it is only a game why should TA apologise?

Because that's part of the game.

Any evidence from credible sources-ie those that have some international security experience.

Evidence of what ?

Well you suggested the Obama apology as a way TA should go.Again if it would make no difference why should he apologise.

I didn't say it would make no difference.

the apology hasn't won him many friends at home-important when considering political implications.

Tough decisions rarely win you many friends. That's why they're tough.

Anyway, 47% isn't "many" ? I see you still haven't got out of that "50%+1 means no-one else matters" mindset.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Mark Scott might be looking for a new job soon.....

THE ABC rejected a request from Australian intelligence authorities to redact some details of spying activity in Indonesia that has caused a diplomatic rift with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and the cancellation of co-operation on asylum-seeker operations.

The Australian has confirmed the ABC sought advice from intelligence authorities, including the Office of National Assessments and the Australian Signals Directorate, before publication of the article, which was published in conjunction with The Guardian.Sources have told The Australian the ABC was asked to redact three matters in the story but redacted only one. An ABC spokesman declined to comment last night.- See more at: Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

I really love people that answer a question with a question.So what do you really think drsmithy and why?

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Mark Scott might be looking for a new job soon.....

THE ABC rejected a request from Australian intelligence authorities to redact some details of spying activity in Indonesia that has caused a diplomatic rift with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and the cancellation of co-operation on asylum-seeker operations.

The Australian has confirmed the ABC sought advice from intelligence authorities, including the Office of National Assessments and the Australian Signals Directorate, before publication of the article, which was published in conjunction with The Guardian.Sources have told The Australian the ABC was asked to redact three matters in the story but redacted only one. An ABC spokesman declined to comment last night.- See more at: Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Funny how eager some people are to embrace Government censorship of the media when it suits their purposes.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Funny how eager some people are to embrace Government censorship of the media when it suits their purposes.

You must be joking......

Scott is isolated and will be the last one standing when the music stops - the ABC board will do the dirty work!

 

[serfty]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Mark Scott might be looking for a new job soon.....

THE ABC rejected a request from Australian intelligence authorities to redact some details of spying activity in Indonesia that has caused a diplomatic rift with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and the cancellation of co-operation on asylum-seeker operations.

The Australian has confirmed the ABC sought advice from intelligence authorities, including the Office of National Assessments and the Australian Signals Directorate, before publication of the article, which was published in conjunction with The Guardian.Sources have told The Australian the ABC was asked to redact three matters in the story but redacted only one. An ABC spokesman declined to comment last night.- See more at: Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

'Why Mark Scott should resign' | The Australian

The timing of the leak was also a highly political matter. The Guardian has had this information since May. Its decision not to publish the information before the election when it would have harmed Kevin Rudd, but to sit on it until after the election, when it was designed to damage Tony Abbott, is something the ABC must have considered. Its decision to go ahead showed a blatant political preference.


The seriousness of the ABC's decision to publish criminally obtained information that involved such profoundly damaging and entirely foreseeable risks also raises questions about the ABC board.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...sign/story-e6frg7bo-1226768174546#mm-register

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

'Why Mark Scott should resign' | The Australian

Ahhh.

There are few who embody the fear, paranoia, hypocrisy and confected outrage of the loony Right, so well as Janet Albreschtsen. Except maybe Andrew Bolt - though he can have a bit of trouble keeping his racism down to acceptable levels.

 

[BadgerBoi]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

'Why Mark Scott should resign' | The Australian

Janet "Lois Lane" Albrechtsen of The LNP Daily Express opines that Mark Scott should resign? Goodness gracious me, there's a surprise.

 

[BadgerBoi]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Ahhh.

There are few who embody the fear, paranoia, hypocrisy and confected outrage of the loony Right, so well as Janet Albreschtsen. Except maybe Andrew Bolt - though he can have a bit of trouble keeping his racism down to acceptable levels.

Point of order: Isn't the word "confected" under embargo here until one of the RWNs manages to master Google well enough to find out what it means? S/he did complain a couple of days ago that there were too many syllables in the word, or something along those lines.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

LOL you lefties are going to be riddled with stomach ulcers after a few years/terms of these continuos bile "bucket filling" posts.

Maybe someone will take pity on you and your misery and simply close the thread

 

[BadgerBoi]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

LOL you lefties are going to be riddled with stomach ulcers after a few years/terms of these continuos bile "bucket filling" posts.

You mean the sort of stuff along the lines of links to Janet Albrechtsen articles? I wouldn't have called Serfty a leftie, but whatever floats your boat I suppose.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

I'll have to remember how highly you regard Gillard's statements the next time you're whinging about carbon pricing.

It isn't me who holds her views in high regard; that's pretty obvious. But that is hardly the point, is it? Are you now saying you don't either?

Point of order: Isn't the word "confected" under embargo here until one of the RWNs manages to master Google well enough to find out what it means? S/he did complain a couple of days ago that there were too many syllables in the word, or something along those lines.

Never mentioned anything about syllables. I said I did not know what it means in the context in which it was used. I suspect the correct word was "affected" and not "confected". The use of the word confected in the context in which it was applied, made no sense whatsoever.

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[BadgerBoi]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Never mentioned anything about syllables. I said I did not know what it means in the context in which it was used. I suspect the correct word was "affected" and not "confected". The use of the word confected in the context in which it was applied, made no sense whatsoever.

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2. To put together by combining materials: a group of writers who confected a television series.

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(shrug) I guess you'll just be kept permanently out of the loop then. Shame.

 

[Moody]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Well there is the transcript for you-
Insiders - 24/11/2013: Tanya Plibersek joins Insiders - Insiders - ABC
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Yes, dron, yes. There is the transcript. You've linked to it three times now. I have watched the interview and read the transcript .... just the once of course because I am a chardonnay-swilling tree-hugger so I don't need to have it read to me three times, or explained to me in words of one syllable or less.

BUT ..... you claim to have quoted Tanya Plibersek from this interview to back up your assertions that she shreiks and gave a "pathetic performance". I can find no such post from you. Were you deliberately lying about it or simply fail to understand what is meant by a quote?

At least my article quotes someone in the field of international relations rather than your load of journalistic opinion.

You fail utterly to separate opinion and fact. What you quoted from was an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal - the dead giveway is the heading "OPINION ASIA". What I quoted from was a Telegraph journalist who was reporting the facts of the story. Like the FACT that the Indonesian Ambassador had been recalled (not normally a sign that the relationship is going well) and the FACT that the Indonesian President said "I also regret the statement of Australian Prime Minister that belittled this tapping matter on Indonesia, without any remorse." (definitely a sign that he is angry about it).

Do you understand the difference between opion and fact now, or would you like me to explain again?

About time you lot got some facts on why you think TAs performance re the bugging scandal is poor.
You will of course just drag out another journalists opinion.

Leaving aside your arrse-about belief in what is fact and what is opinion, I don't think anyone with a modicum of intelligence thinks that when you are caught spying on the Indonesian President's wife, you should puff out your chest and say things like "Australia should not be expected to apologise for the steps we take to protect our country now, or in the past." Don't you think that smacks of arrogance?

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

(shrug) I guess you'll just be kept permanently out of the loop then. Shame.

A blessing. I think it must be a very small loop because you seem to be the only one who thinks it's the correct word.

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

But none of those are "FACTS" proving TA has made a mistake.
Facts that the Indonesians are upset.but not of wrongdoing by TA.
My opinion piece is by a fellow at the Sydney university Centre for In ternational security studies.Someone that has more experience in International security matters than a Telegraph reporter.
Besides as I said before my reading of your quoted article made absolutely no case that TAs performance has been disasterous which is what you are trying to prove.
with all due respect you are the one short on facts.