Abbott in Government

[Moody]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

But none of those are "FACTS" proving TA has made a mistake.
Facts that the Indonesians are upset.but not of wrongdoing by TA.
My opinion piece is by a fellow at the Sydney university Centre for In ternational security studies.Someone that has more experience in International security matters than a Telegraph reporter.
Besides as I said before my reading of your quoted article made absolutely no case that TAs performance has been disasterous which is what you are trying to prove.
with all due respect you are the one short on facts.

You are persistent in your approach, dron, I'll give you that. So you think the Indonesian President was referring to some other Australian Prime Minister in his tweet? Tony Abbott didn't actually say those things in parliament? Just like he didn't say he would tow back the boats or buy them first (well - not without having his fingers crossed so it doesn't count)! And countries usually recall their Ambassador as a sign they are happy with their relationship and there's no need to talk anymore? God forbid you join the diplomatic corp ...

But at least you admit that John Lee wrote an opinion piece, so it's nice to see you've made some progress.

I am still waiting for those elusive Tanya Plibersek quotes. Isn't it time you gave up the farcical claim that you ever quoted a single word she said, and then we can move on?

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

You just don't get it do you.You are saying Tony Abbott has done the wrong thing re the bugging allegations.
Nothing you have said or linked to offers any proof of what you are saying.
the Indonesian president not liking what TA said in Parliament is not proof of your basic claim that TA is hopeless.
Once you admit you just hate tony Abbott so that nothing he he does or says will ever be right in your mind then we can move on.

As for TP on Insiders she chided TA for making missteps and in the same answer said it was not her place to comment on intelligence matters-after of course she just had.To me that smacks of the arrogant left wing sense of superiority that you so admirably display.

 

[serfty]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Transcript:

BARRIE CASSIDY: How do you think Tony Abbott is handling the diplomatic crisis with Indonesia?


TANYA PLIBERSEK: Well, I don't know that it has been a terrific performance when it comes to handling the diplomatic crisis. There were, I suppose, a few missteps before this, and then I think the two occasions when the Prime Minister's addressed the Parliament were really a long way from helping settle things down. I don't think really what he said to the Parliament has settled things down at all.


BARRIE CASSIDY: In what way was that inappropriate?


TANYA PLIBERSEK: Well, I'm certainly not in a position to say word for word what the Prime Minister or anyone else should be saying in these circumstances. The Prime Minister's got excellent advisers in Indonesia. Greg Moriarty, the Ambassador there, is a very experienced diplomat; he's got other experienced diplomats here in Australia that could advise him.

But I think, in addressing the Parliament, it would have been a good time to try and get our relationship with Indonesia back onto its normal track and I'm disappointed that that's not really what happened.


BARRIE CASSIDY: But where did he go wrong and what should he have said?


TANYA PLIBERSEK: Well Barrie, I'm not going to script a speech for the Prime Minister; I don't think that would be appropriate at all. As I say, he's got terrific advisers that are able to help him. What I'm concerned about is making sure that this relationship - that is such an important one for Australia - is back on track as soon as possible, that we don't allow this dispute to fester.


BARRIE CASSIDY: But you're critical of his performance in the Parliament without saying why?


TANYA PLIBERSEK: Well, like I say, Barrie, I don't think it's appropriate for me to be scripting speeches for the Prime Minister, but I think that, on each occasion, there was an opportunity there to smooth things over, to settle things down; that's not what happened on either occasion. ...

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

It isn't me who holds her views in high regard; that's pretty obvious.

I'm confused. Weren't you just using the authority of her opinion to add weight to your own ?

But that is hardly the point, is it? Are you now saying you don't either?

I don't believe I've ever professed to hold Gillard in high regard.

Never mentioned anything about syllables. I said I did not know what it means in the context in which it was used. I suspect the correct word was "affected" and not "confected". The use of the word confected in the context in which it was applied, made no sense whatsoever.

Confected outrage would be outrage made up out of things that really aren't particularly outrageous.

Presumably its meaning is drawn from an analagous process of having to concentrate together many small irrelevant and unrelated things into one place to make a single thing of more significance.

The term is hardly one of uncommon usage, which leads me to believe you are feigning ignorance for the purposes of trolling.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

The expression I've always known is "affected outrage" not confected outrage. I am not trolling. I've never heard the expression "confected outrage".

As far as Gillard's quote goes, given that you are saying how Abbott has botched it all, the fact that even Gillard doesn't think an apology is required is telling. I have no opinion on how he has handled this as there are too many political manipulations happening for us to know what is happening.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Janet "Lois Lane" Albrechtsen of The LNP Daily Express opines that Mark Scott should resign? Goodness gracious me, there's a surprise.

I'm surprised drron hasn't piped up given the lack of much resembling "facts" or "proof" in Albrechtsens paranoid conspiracy theory.

Well, not really that surprised.

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Well it looks like TA was underestimated-
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As to Drsmithy's snide remarks it seems he has forgotten the controversy over the ABCs retaining the Australia Network contract.The Auditor general wasn't impressed with the organisational skills of the government-
http://www.anao.gov.au/~/media/Uplo...75032753286172387651497395473208567902387.pdf

Also the lovely Mr.Scott is on record as saying the ABC would be better at the soft diplomacy needed for a regional service where one of the factors in the tender was observing the national interest rather than the public interest-
Bruce Allen Memorial Lecture 2009 | About the ABC

Though it is funny that his response to the ANAO's report has recently disappeared from the ABC website.
I think there is a case to be made that the lovely Mr.Scott hasn't lived up to his past utterances.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Well it looks like TA was underestimated-
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Don't spoil the party drron.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

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which leads me to believe you are feigning ignorance for the purposes of trolling.

Reading this - makes me think of this.....

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Well it looks like TA was underestimated-

Don't spoil the party drron.

hahaha even the lefties over at Fairfax are conceding Spy affair: Indonesia hints Tony Abbott's letter has done the trick

The ABC.......probably will read about the resignation of Scott before we see this mob actually report the news!

 

[HarryB]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

hahaha even the lefties over at Fairfax are conceding Spy affair: Indonesia hints Tony Abbott's letter has done the trick

Shame it's a week late, which is the point the left has been making for, well, the last week.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Shame it's a week late, which is the point the left has been making for, well, the last week.

He had to receive the letter before he could reply to it.

 

[Pukka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Shame it's a week late, which is the point the left has been making for, well, the last week.

I think it's all been a big game apparently SBY has seen his party's popularity rise dramatically as a result of his standoff with Australia.

As a country I don't think we should be voicing groveling apologies to anyone about anything.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Shame it's a week late, which is the point the left has been making for, well, the last week.

Shame my cough!

TA got on the front foot and stayed there - unlike the poms Can't understand why those on the left can't figure out this is all about Indo domestic audience and their next election

 

[HarryB]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Shame my cough!

TA got on the front foot and stayed there - unlike the poms Can't understand why those on the left can't figure out this is all about Indo domestic audience and their next election

As painful as you may consider it, this would all have blown over a week ago had Abbott done what he eventually did.

Read post 1404 again and then direct your last sentence to someone who doesn't see the issue for what it is.

 

[HarryB]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

I think it's all been a big game apparently SBY has seen his party's popularity rise dramatically as a result of his standoff with Australia.

As a country I don't think we should be voicing groveling apologies to anyone about anything.

I agree, groveling apologies are not necessary but diplomacy is. As diplomacy is the skill of managing international relations I am far from convinced Abbott succeeded.

We will never agree on many things politically, Pukka, but surely you must agree that it would be better for Australia had this been dealt with earlier than it was. The right has been very defensive through the whole thing instead of recognizing the game that needed to be played. SBY played it well and Abbott didn't. In my opinion, at least.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

As painful as you may consider it, this would all have blown over a week ago had Abbott done what he eventually did.

Read post 1404 again and then direct your last sentence to someone who doesn't see the issue for what it is.

How do you know what he did/wrote/speak? Much speculation - rubbish really!

Saying sorry to Indo and we'd be flying around SEA going on hands & knees for doing something that everyone else does! This is pretty basic stuff......no wonder the lefties have only held power in Oz for only 33 of the past 100 years!

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Well it looks like TA was underestimated-

Because he's finally managed to somewhat resolve a crisis he created ?

Closing sentences from the article:

"The fact that it's taken so long for Indonesia to respond is of some concern," he told Sky News.
"Clearly they are disappointed with the government's response to date."
- See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...y-fn3dxiwe-1226768338484#sthash.3HEc0JQZ.dpuf

As to Drsmithy's snide remarks it seems he has forgotten the controversy over the ABCs retaining the Australia Network contract.The Auditor general wasn't impressed with the organisational skills of the government-

Actually I just never know what random segue you're going to launch off into at any given moment. Relevance ?

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

As a country I don't think we should be voicing groveling apologies to anyone about anything.

That's the spirit ! Australia could never do anything seriously wrong because, well, we're Australia !

(Not to mention no-one wanted a "grovelling apology". Are you even capable of making a statement without some sort of logical fallacy in it ?)

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Reading this - makes me think of this.....

Because obviously the only explanation for a difference of opinion is trolling.