Australian Cricket Season 2023-2024

[RooFlyer]

Cheats just about sums it up. Extremely embarrassing to claim a wicket under those circumstances.

The circumstances being under the laws of cricket ...

 

[SeatBackForward]

Cheats just about sums it up. Extremely embarrassing to claim a wicket under those circumstances.

Recalling Bairstow was the only option and they failed.

P.S. 2 very close matches that could have gone either way. 2-0 up is extremely flattering.

Who cheated exactly? I think making such a claim diminishes the argument.

 

[VPS]

But I think they knew it was a possibility Bairstow would. Didn't he do this earlier.

He did and if you google McCullum and Murali you get the situation where McCullum ran him out after he left the crease when he was celebrating

 

[VPS]

Cheats just about sums it up. Extremely embarrassing to claim a wicket under those circumstances.

Recalling Bairstow was the only option and they failed.

P.S. 2 very close matches that could have gone either way. 2-0 up is extremely flattering.

So was Bairstow a cheat when he tried to do the same in the first test. Carey had thrown the ball when Bairstow was still in his crease.

McCullum has done the same to Murali but he's just choosing to be sanctimonious.

Maybe in your other simulated world everyone might play the same but they are playing to win. Doesn't matter if it's flattering or not we are 2-0 and we didn't get it by just turning up

 

[Pushka]

The better they play the luckier they get.

 

[Stone]

I think the English team and coaching staff are trying to deflect attention away from an abysmal failure of tactics. In this test they (through good fortune) had the pick of the conditions, and had one of the Australian frontline bowlers absent for 4 of the 5 days, and still came up short. The reason is many of them threw away their wickets in the first innings - admittedly some of the Australian batsmen could be accused of that in the second innings too, but the game position was very different (and the English tactics at the time very negative, so much for Baz Ball.)

If I was Jimmy Anderson, I would wish that if hung up my spikes prior to this series. The pitches and the ball aren't suiting him any more, and getting less than 80 overs to recover between innings is hard on an aging body. I don't know how he will go with another short turnaround.

 

[JohnK]

So was Bairstow a cheat when he tried to do the same in the first test. Carey had thrown the ball when Bairstow was still in his crease.

McCullum has done the same to Murali but he's just choosing to be sanctimonious.

Maybe in your other simulated world everyone might play the same but they are playing to win. Doesn't matter if it's flattering or not we are 2-0 and we didn't get it by just turning up

Just because someone tried or did the same thing does not make it an honourable thing to do. Far from it.

This no different to a Mankad.

Or an underarm delivery.

Just imagine the Australian cricket team with honesty and integrity. Nah. Not possible. The right thing to do would have been to withdraw the appeal or even recall Bairstow.

And its not about playing to win at all costs. If that's what it boils down to then it's a very sad state of affairs and its time to pull up stumps in this simulation and start again. We may get it right next time but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[VPS]

Just because someone tried or did the same thing does not make it an honourable thing to do. Far from it.

This no different to a Mankad.

Or an underarm delivery.

Just imagine the Australian cricket team with honesty and integrity. Nah. Not possible. The right thing to do would have been to withdraw the appeal or even recall Bairstow.

And its not about playing to win at all costs. If that's what it boils down to then it's a very sad state of affairs and its time to pull up stumps in this simulation and start again. We may get it right next time but I'm not holding my breath.

So that means Bairstow who did the same in the first test but didn't succeed has no honesty and integrity or McCullum the coach who did the same to Murali - you can't pick and choose who has done the honourable thing - they all play to win

 

[drron]

Just because someone tried or did the same thing does not make it an honourable thing to do. Far from it.

This no different to a Mankad.

Or an underarm delivery.

Just imagine the Australian cricket team with honesty and integrity. Nah. Not possible. The right thing to do would have been to withdraw the appeal or even recall Bairstow.

And its not about playing to win at all costs. If that's what it boils down to then it's a very sad state of affairs and its time to pull up stumps in this simulation and start again. We may get it right next time but I'm not holding my breath.

But @JohnK Carey threw the ball when Bairstow was still in his crease. Not cheating at all. Maybe from now he will pay attention to what is happening and won't move off without looking. Only 1 person to blame for that dismissal and that was Bairstow.
So are you calling him a cheat. Certainly a poor sportsman.

 

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[JohnK]

So that means Bairstow who did the same in the first test but didn't succeed has no honesty and integrity or McCullum the coach who did the same to Murali - you can't pick and choose who has done the honourable thing - they all play to win

I didn't say they were honourable.

You cannot do something that is not honourable and then justify it by saying the English did the same thing. That's not how integrity works.

And @drron it's quite clear that Bairstow was not running nor trying to sneak a run. He was heading down to speak to Stokes.

 

[Pushka]

I didn't say they were honourable.

You cannot do something that is not honourable and then justify it by saying the English did the same thing. That's not how integrity works.

And @drron it's quite clear that Bairstow was not running nor trying to sneak a run. He was heading down to speak to Stokes.

If a player doesn't ground his bat at his crease and the ball is still in action, and the opposition breaks the wicket, then their intentions are irrelevant. That's how the rules work.

 

[Scarlett]

The West Indies have lost to Scotland to be knocked out of the ICC World Cup.
My how they've fallen.

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It doesn’t help that the World Cup is only being played with 10 teams.

I quite liked earlier editions featuring sides such as Namibia and the giant England shaped banana skin called the Irish! The more the merrier I say!

 

[Scarlett]

Usual reason?

Highly unlikely.
From the footage shown the comments were being made generally about the Australian team and not directed specifically to anyone in particular. Sort of mob mentality commentary. (Carey and coughmins’ names may have been mentioned but without the sound we’ll never know). It just happened to be Khawaja that decided to challenge some of what was being said.

 

[Scarlett]

I read an interesting take on the Carey-Bairstow thing...If Carey had missed, would Bairstow have been off for overthrows, or is that not in the spirit of cricket?

Again, unlikely. Bairstow was oblivious to what was happening behind him. He assumed the over was done and was in the ‘switched off’ period between overs. Additionally, Green was still standing on the pitch having finished bowling and would have been able to pick the ball up if it had missed the stumps.

 

[Scarlett]

So that means Bairstow who did the same in the first test but didn't succeed has no honesty and integrity or McCullum the coach who did the same to Murali - you can't pick and choose who has done the honourable thing - they all play to win

Whatabout Bairstow.
Whatabout McCullum.
Whatabout Tony Grieg. (and Alvin Kallicharran)

What about them? This was a dishonourable choice of the Australian team and what others do or did doesn’t matter. I’m glad they won, I just wish they’d done it via different means.

 

[Duffa]

I was at the game with members.
They are horrified at the members' behaviour in the long room.

 

[JohnK]

If a player doesn't ground his bat at his crease and the ball is still in action, and the opposition breaks the wicket, then their intentions are irrelevant. That's how the rules work.

I wasn't referring to rules. I was referring to integrity.

Clearly Bairstow had thought it was the end of the over. He went back in his crease and he turned around to walk back towards Stokes as if it was end of over. Very innocent. That is extremely clear. That he didn't ground his bat is a dumb argument. And to taunt and celebrate that they had just done something great is childish.

There is even a hint that the umpires had started to move as if it was end of over. When the Australians appealed the umpires had no choice other than to give it out.

 

[RooFlyer]

Being reported that the suspended MCC members are Bartholomew Frinton-Smythe, Humphrey Wigbert-Porter and Quinten Breckenridge.

Has to be a wind-up, surely?

 

[Pushka]

I wasn't referring to rules. I was referring to integrity.

Clearly Bairstow had thought it was the end of the over. He went back in his crease and he turned around to walk back towards Stokes as if it was end of over. Very innocent. That is extremely clear. That he didn't ground his bat is a dumb argument. And to taunt and celebrate that they had just done something great is childish.

There is even a hint that the umpires had started to move as if it was end of over. When the Australians appealed the umpires had no choice other than to give it out.

Can't legislate for integrity as every culture and every individual differs as to that definition. Check on this thread as an example. There can only be rules. What does it tell you if you say the Unpires had no choice?

Every cricketer from five year olds upwards, knows you have to ground your bat before doing anything while the ball is in action. Up until say more senior levels mistakes get made, but their training is always, ground your bat. If you don't know that then you lack basic cricket skills and knowledge. He knew it. He just forgot it. And of course, there are players that try to sneak distance when the bowler is about to bowl. If a bowler has the ball and play is on you gotta be behind your crease and if not, you risk the consequences.

This was a tight match for the Ashes. You play to win according to the rules. Sandpaper gate was cheating. This was not. And I expect if sandpaper gate had not happened then there may not be this furore. Aussies have made themselves the targets and the Brits, having been led to expect to win, are disappointed it's not panning out that way. Ripe for conflict.


I like the take from news.com.au

"While even the most ardent critic had to admit it was within the rules, the call soon became all about the “Spirit of Cricket”.

At the best of times, the “Spirit of Cricket” has become a wishy-washy term that is used in any controversial moment, even if it’s within the rules, as a way to justify getting fired up."