Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[lovetravellingoz]

My apologies, I meant being a significant method of spreading the virus - I’m sure one or two cases could occur but I wouldn’t think that would be worth shutting down the entire construction industry. It’s all about risk / benefit analysis.

Yes construction spread from worker to worker has been minimal. The recent mining example, which is effectively construction in the nature of the work, shows that such workers are not immune.

I would also suspect that these new variants greatly increase the likelihood of transmission in such settings though.

Spread between healthworkers was very large at some locations. And at least one police station (Dandenong)

 

[justinbrett]

I may be wrong but I understand most transmission in NSW at the moment is not from retail but from household to household. My guess is once someone brings it into their household everyone lets their guard down and the virus has an easy time to infect everyone.
Where as the only thing people are bringing home from bunnings and kmart is overpriced junk from china.

Yes exactly and is what I said earlier (Gladys said exactly that). Also the issue of “household” meaning “extended family and close friends” to others.

 

[Pushka]

I may be wrong but I understand most transmission in NSW at the moment is not from retail but from household to household. My guess is once someone brings it into their household everyone lets their guard down and the virus has an easy time to infect everyone.
Where as the only thing people are bringing home from bunnings and kmart is overpriced junk from china.

And if they’ve just come from a household exposed to the virus then there goes Bunnings.

 

[justinbrett]

And if they’ve just come from a household exposed to the virus then there goes Bunnings.

Bunnings is a good example of why the shopper needs to be restricted, not the merchant.

As Bunnings is essential for a lot of trades including the construction industry.

 

[bcworld]

Bunnings is a good example of why the shopper needs to be restricted, not the merchant.

As Bunnings is essential for a lot of trades including the construction industry.

There are other options. Allow entry to the trades only. Click 'n' collect. It's been done before.

 

[justinbrett]

There are other options. Allow entry to the trades only. Click 'n' collect. It's been done before.

Well think of an older gentleman who's not internet savvy but handy around the home has a plumbing emergency - and needs to buy some parts.

Things have been done before but they don't necessarily have to be done again.

But yes, if this discretion continues to be abused it will lead to government mandating what you can and can't buy.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

We (Sydneysiders) are f...ked!

Everyone in a tizz since the numbers came out today.

But what do people expect expect after yesterday's numbers??? They are largely similar to yesterday and given people should remember lockdown measures don't take effect [Edit: to be seen in covid case numbers] for a few days (typically stated as 5 days) the "stricter" measures won't take effect until maybe Tuesday. But on this occasion its fool's gold.

Its almost time for the NSW Government to give prescription, not hope the new stricter measures work. Sydney (including Wollongong Shellharbour Blue Mountains and Central Coast). It seems they are waiting for public aghast at the numbers before going harder?!?!?!

Notionally 8-10 more weeks of this, so hopefully NSW Government announce something tomorrow?!?!?!

PS Hopefully Wollongong Shellharbour Blue Mountains and Central Coast get released in say after 4 weeks of lockdown (ie in 2 weeks time) and told to stay away - provided there is no more increase in cases there (currently Wollongong 6, Shellharbour 0, Blue Mountains 4, and Central Coast 2) and it will become pointless to keep a lockdown for those areas.

 

[I love to travel]

Everyone in a tizz since the numbers came out today.

But what do people expect expect after yesterday's numbers??? They are largely similar to yesterday and given people should remember lockdown measures don't take effect for a few days (typically stated as 5 days) the "stricter" measures won't take effect until maybe Tuesday. But on this occasion its fool's gold.

Its almost time for the NSW Government to give prescription, not hope the new stricter measures work. Sydney (including Wollongong Shellharbour Blue Mountains and Central Coast). It seems they are waiting for public aghast at the numbers before going harder?!?!?!

Notionally 8-10 more weeks of this, so hopefully NSW Government announce something tomorrow?!?!?!

PS Hopefully Wollongong Shellharbour Blue Mountains and Central Coast get released in say after 4 weeks of lockdown (ie in 2 weeks time) and told to stay away - provided there is no more increase in cases there (currently Wollongong 6, Shellharbour 0, Blue Mountains 4, and Central Coast 2) and its will become pointless to keep a lockdown for those areas.

Agree but as long as people in those areas are locked out of Greater Sydney and WFH.

 

[antycbr]

Agree but as long as people in those areas are locked out of Greater Sydney and WFH.

Agreed and this would be doable. Permits required to cross the Hawkesbury Nepean to the north and west right around to Campbelltown basically, then on Appin Road and the main motorway and roads through Royal National Park. There’s really only about a dozen or so roads and 4 rail lines in and out,

 

[justinbrett]

Agree but as long as people in those areas are locked out of Greater Sydney and WFH.

Well regional NSW are locked out of Greater Sydney, even here in Newcastle we can't go to the Central Coast unless it's for an essential reason (the northern part of the Central Coast is much more closely aligned to Newcastle / Hunter than it is to Sydney). But they had to draw the line somewhere.

Kerry Chant said today that Greater Sydney residents leaving to the regions now have to be covid tested before departure.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Agree but as long as people in those areas are locked out of Greater Sydney and WFH.

I think people have to put aside WFH as a tools at this point of the lockdown - if they are not already WFH now and won't be under tighter restrictions, then they are already playing roulette. Some will WFH in the same area without the need to come into Sydney. The prescription (for example a Vic-style what can open, everything else closed) for which more financial assistance may be required to stop current non-WFH from going to work.

 

[jakeseven7]

Ugh seriously?


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Reports of the public lying to contact tracers as they arrive too late to stop forward infections

‘Lies’ could extend Sydney lockdown

NSW authorities have pleaded with Sydneysiders to tell coronavirus contact tracers the truth, implying people who have lied to authorities have complicated the response to an ongoing outbreak in the city.

www.news.com.au

 

[antycbr]

Well regional NSW are locked out of Greater Sydney, even here in Newcastle we can't go to the Central Coast unless it's for an essential reason (the northern part of the Central Coast is much more closely aligned to Newcastle / Hunter than it is to Sydney). But they had to draw the line somewhere.

Kerry Chant said today that Greater Sydney residents leaving to the regions now have to be covid tested before departure.

Side effect of amalgamation…

 

[dajop]

Ugh seriously?

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‘Lies’ could extend Sydney lockdown

NSW authorities have pleaded with Sydneysiders to tell coronavirus contact tracers the truth, implying people who have lied to authorities have complicated the response to an ongoing outbreak in the city.

www.news.com.au

Not surprising. This happened last winter in Melbourne as well. Various motivations, not the least of which is concerns about being fined for breaking Covid restrictions. IIRC, Sutton suggesting that they would not fine anyone that during contract tracing it came evident they were m breaking Covid rules. Which led to a debate about this but in the end made sense (although for things like the Hoxton Park superspreader party … that’s a different matter altogether).

 

[justinbrett]

I think people have to put aside WFH as a tools at this point of the lockdown - if they are not already WFH now and won't be under tighter restrictions, then they are already playing roulette. Some will WFH in the same area without the need to come into Sydney. The prescription (for example a Vic-style what can open, everything else closed) for which more financial assistance may be required to stop current non-WFH from going to work.

I know in Newcastle a lot of people are working from home (mandatory masks at work was a great motivator). The few times I have gone to work this week traffic has been a breeze. I just saw on the NSW health website (for all of NSW) "Employers must allow an employee to work from home if it is reasonably practicable to do so." I'm not sure that was widely reported in the media.

Not many people going to to pubs and cafes either. It's almost a self imposed lockdown up here.

 

[Pushka]

Bunnings is a good example of why the shopper needs to be restricted, not the merchant.

As Bunnings is essential for a lot of trades including the construction industry.

In SA it was open to tradies.

Not surprising. This happened last winter in Melbourne as well.

Our extreme lockdown in SA was caused by the Pizza guy who lied to tracers.

I know in Newcastle a lot of people are working from home (mandatory masks at work was a great motivator). The few times I have gone to work this week traffic has been a breeze. I just saw on the NSW health website (for all of NSW) "Employers must allow an employee to work from home if it is reasonably practicable to do so." I'm not sure that was widely reported in the media.

Not many people going to to pubs and cafes either. It's almost a self imposed lockdown up here.

Pubs and cafes are open in NSW?

 

[Seat0B]

Yes construction spread from worker to worker has been minimal. The recent mining example, which is effectively construction in the nature of the work, shows that such workers are not immune.

I would also suspect that these new variants greatly increase the likelihood of transmission in such settings though.

Spread between healthworkers was very large at some locations. And at least one police station (Dandenong)

i think for miners the spread is more about communal messing, laundry and ablutions than the nature of the work.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I know in Newcastle a lot of people are working from home (mandatory masks at work was a great motivator). The few times I have gone to work this week traffic has been a breeze. I just saw on the NSW health website (for all of NSW) "Employers must allow an employee to work from home if it is reasonably practicable to do so." I'm not sure that was widely reported in the media.

Not many people going to to pubs and cafes either. It's almost a self imposed lockdown up here.

A self-imposed lockdown is what Sydney needed.

The NSW Premier probably has been trying to get the public (eg business councils) on board. Hopefully today's 50 number (and only about 25% fully isolating while infectious) will get a green light from everybody that needs to be consulted to go stricter - hopefully full-on prescription.

 

[justinbrett]

Pubs and cafes are open in NSW?

Yep, in regional NSW (including Newcastle, which is funny, we don't really consider ourselves regional)... pubs, clubs cafes etc all open, just the mandatory masks / no "vertical comsumption" rules.

Really the only restrictions - along with masks everywhere indoors.

We are allowed to browse the aisles of our local supermarkets - we are very fortunate!

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

ICU cases now up to 16

One in teens!!!

One in 20's



EDIT; Added

Bridget Judd ABC News​

Nineteen people admitted to hospital with COVID are under the age of 55​

Dr Kerry Chant says of those, eight are under the age of 35.​

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Of those currently in ICU, "one is in their teens, one is in their 20s, one is in their 30s, one is in their 40s, three are in their 50s, six are in their 60s, two are in their 70s and one is in their 80s".​

If ever there was a case to stop will this age-based distribution - free choice now