Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[bcworld]

A very hostile series of Qs by the journalists at today's 11am NSW press conference....keep it coming!

And Gladys chucking shade at Victoria for no good reason...hope it made her feel better!

Chatter is the case below is likely from....MCG exposure (not good)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1415483355785662467

 

[lovetravellingoz]

And Gladys chucking shade at Victoria for no good reason...hope it made her feel better!

Chatter is the case below is likely from....MCG exposure (not good)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1415483355785662467

https://twitter.com/x/status/1415486643381825537

 

[dajop]

We live in an age where we have become so over-protective that we cannot tolerate making decisions that lead to death. We have learnt to accept deaths from flu as a background reality. I was at a meeting in RPA a couple of years ago when the management mentioned that had reached full capacity because of the virulent flu that year. But there were no lockdowns because people generally accept the reality of the "flu season".

Yes, though, if Covid were only likely to cause 2-3 deaths a day across the whole year, or perhaps 5-6 deaths/day during the "Covid season", then I am sure the controls (and the desire for extreme controls) would be a lot less. But not certainly not there yet. I think once vaccinations reach a certain level (75% or so) those conversations become important.

 

[jakeseven7]

And Gladys chucking shade at Victoria for no good reason...hope it made her feel better!

Highly stressed, deflection, politicians can't change their spots. They should all just focus on their own messes right now.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Whatever happened to "looking after your own needs" - you know, what most young men do, most of the time? I mean, come ON! If they can't be celibate for 2 months, what do they do when their wives get pregnant and give birth?

What do Navy and Submariners do for months on a tour without their footballs?

I don't think the answer to the last question you posed is answerable here on AFF.

I heard on the ABC this morning that the rescheduled (third time) Queensland Foster and Kinship Care Conference 2021 with something like 5-750 attendees,scheduled for Novotel Sunshine Coast Resort (formerly Novotel Twin Waters Resort) later this month, has been kicked out by Novatel so they can bubble wrap the footy players.

 

[nutwood]

If both Hay and Jindera were visited at the fuel stops, then it would suggest that they may have had a reason to go to Jindera (ie another unknown stop).

Returning to Sydney Tailem Bend - Hay-Jindera- Sydney makes no sense.


Now that possible unknown site may be known to NSW Health as they only list public exposure sites, and not all exposure sites. So if it was just say a private house or farm it would not get listed.

Possibly a cashie or two on the side? Would be fairly normal if they were heading home with an empty truck. Could explain why they are not being totally open about their movements if the boss didn't know.

 

[jase05]

Dan not fronting for the 12:15pm presser so doubt VIC goes into lockdown just yet

 

[lovetravellingoz]

New exposure sites in Werribee and Point Cook. Possibly the same person. Quite possibly a new case/s (ie not in this morning's dat to midnight last night)

 

[N860CR]

I could live with this, especially if the deaths are generally above 80yo & mostly unvaccinated. Now I may be shot down saying that, heartless etc, but I see that as new normal, if I can say that. sorry to offend anybody.

It’s not really even a new normal. 450ish people a day did in Australia. That number will never reach zero (and we don’t want it to). A handful of covid deaths will simply join the daily deaths from any number of diseases.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I am not offended. This is a conversation that needs to be had. And respectfully.

On a different but related note being respectful of all people (even positives who might have done the 'wrong' thing) when commenting on AFF thread is also something we should all strive for.

 

[MooTime]

It’s not really even a new normal. 450ish people a day did in Australia. That number will never reach zero (and we don’t want it to). A handful of covid deaths will simply join the daily deaths from any number of diseases.

well yes true, but these would be extra deaths, so that number would be 475ish.
After number of years it would just be washed into another reason for death. normal.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Which is why I raised the lack of definition of what is an essential worker after Hazzard's recent statement of leaving it to the employer. That was always going to lead to more employees than should be the case moving about.

There is a counter-argument that if you are prescriptive, then people might try to look for ways to be in a permitted industry. Well at least that's what I gathered from moa's comment a day or so ago when it was said to the effect of "40 industries with swiss cheese holes"

 

[lovetravellingoz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1415486643381825537

https://twitter.com/x/status/1415490732572364805

ABC News: Year 4 Primary School Case confirmed. St Patricks Murrumbeena.

Epstein: Other family have tested negative. More family results to come.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

We live in an age where we have become so over-protective that we cannot tolerate making decisions that lead to death. We have learnt to accept deaths from flu as a background reality. I was at a meeting in RPA a couple of years ago when the management mentioned that had reached full capacity because of the virulent flu that year. But there were no lockdowns because people generally accept the reality of the "flu season".

But in regards to Covid, governments are having to decide when they allow this new disease to become a regular part of our lives, like flu. They will be criticised for being too slow, too quick, causing deaths directly and indirectly, killing the economy and much more. Government will be gun shy, and we are going to see that play out here perhaps more than anywhere given our low levels of Covid infections compared to most other countries.

So possibly a fair comparison is an average of 2-3 deaths per day for flu (in Australia) v 18 deaths per day for covid (using 49 UK deaths per day - using UK as one of the highest vaccinated countries and adjusting for Australia's population)

 

[lovetravellingoz]

VIC Presser

2 cases linked to MCG. No other new cases on top of the 10 till midnight last night..

EDIT Added

3 positive case cluster around MCG 60's man. Man in 50's (lives in Barwon Heads) and now wife and child (both not at MCG).

2 other cases on Level 2 Members Stand MCG. Not known contacts of above.
Primary school student (already mentioned)
The other is an adult.

One is a likely to be a Tier 1 Contact (ie sat near 60's man). The other a Tier 2 contact (sat not near 60's man).

The gym exposures are linked to the adult.

 

[dajop]

So possibly a fair comparison is an average of 2-3 deaths per day for flu (in Australia) v 18 deaths per day for covid (using 49 UK deaths per day - using UK as one of the highest vaccinated countries and adjusting for Australia's population)

It may also depend on what happens with our causes of death. For example, dementia is top cause of deaths amongst 85yo+ and #2 amongst 75-84yo age group. It amounts for ~40 deaths per day. If Covid came in and claimed 18/day, but dementia deaths reduced to say, 25-30 deaths/day it might be more acceptable.

But there's also the lagging tail, that isn't just about covid deaths, in terms of treating Covid patients consuming health care resources/ICUs etc that could create negative health outcomes in other areas as well.

 

[MooTime]

VIC Presser

2 cases linked to MCG. No other new cases on top of the 10 till midnight last night..

EDIT Added

3 positive case cluster around MCG. 60's man. Man in 50's (lives in Barwon Heads) and now wife and child.

2 other cases onLevel 2 MCG. Not known contacts of above.
Primary school student (already mentioned)

So does that mean no cases at all since midnight, so at this point in time we're sitting on donut tomorrow?
Of course I assume some will come with results later today.

thanks

 

[bcworld]

So does that mean no cases at all since midnight, so at this point in time we're sitting on donut tomorrow?
Of course I assume some will come with results later today.

thanks

No. There are definitely post midnight cases among everything that has been discussed.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So does that mean no cases at all since midnight, so at this point in time we're sitting on donut tomorrow?
Of course I assume some will come with results later today.

thanks

There are 2 post midnight cases (as of say 12.30pm today). The two new linked to MCG. Child and adult. See above post.

Note that most MCG attendees were not tested yesterday, and most will be presenting to get tested from 8am today. So will say start showing up in results from 4pm-ish on.

Not also that those that went and got tested from 4-8PM would be unlikely to have a result prior to midnight. Though most likely all of that chort would have been known by the time of today's presser.

Post automatically merged: Jul 15, 2021

Vic Presser. The health of the 60's main parents remains ok. One has had one vaccine dose.

 

[bcworld]

MCG interesting because the two were not together and 1 was sitting in a Tier 1 exposure area, the other was in a Tier 2 exposure area.