Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Spongbob]

What are the likes of Denmark doing so well then? Or have all the vulnerable died off...

They eat pickled fish for breakfast. I don't think that variable is included in the Australian modelling.

 

[antycbr]

I have to confess that I haven't dived extensively into the Doherty figures but from what I can see, their optimal TTIQ was based on low numbers circulating. Some of their research might survive extrapolation but I'm very doubtful that optimal TTIQ does.

Isn't optimal TTIQ a recipe for the Pingdemic that the UK experienced where half the country seemed to get notified that they were a close contact?

People ended up abandoing checking in and tracing, and deleted the app.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Isn't optimal TTIQ a recipe for the Pingdemic that the UK experienced where half the country seemed to get notified that they were a close contact?

People ended up abandoing checking in and tracing, and deleted the app.

I think some States are trying to keep the hook by getting vaccination status incorporated - so make it easier for shops to continue being "fully vaccinated customers".

I doubt it would last long because of the likely hacking, "fake" medical contraindication exceptions, cases happening in stores with mandatory vaccination for staff and customers, etc.

Its going to be a dog's breakfast.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Singapore's take on living with covid

Life in country that’s 80 per cent vaxxed

With 80 per cent of their total population fully vaccinated, life in Singapore could serve as a blue print to what ‘living with Covid’ might look like.

www.news.com.au

Some takeaways from me (of relevance to this thread) is that:
- the law applied to venues/businesses to ensure unvaccinated have tests before entry + density limits.
- lockdowns used only to manage hospital numbers.

 

[TonyHancock]

This is what life looks like in a country (UK) with over 80% of the adult population vaccinated and most restrictions ended.


Having lived through Covid in the UK, and now the USA I do look at some of the commentary in Australia with incredulity. The reality is that vaccinations will allow as normal a life as possible but people have to be prepared for increased hospitalisations and deaths. The bold numbers, for cases and deaths in the image are daily numbers. This is in a population where Covid has been rife for 18 months.

I think this is now an acceptable risk in the UK. The NHS can cope and cases are translating into hospitalisations at a much lower rate than earlier in the year. Hospitalisations are rising though.

If a near zero covid mentality continues after 80% vaccination lockdowns will be in place for a long, long time.

Vaccinate, vaccinate vaccinate and calculate an acceptable risk!

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

This is what life looks like in a country (UK) with over 80% of the adult population vaccinated and most restrictions ended.

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Having lived through Covid in the UK, and now the USA I do look at some of the commentary in Australia with incredulity. The reality is that vaccinations will allow as normal a life as possible but people have to be prepared for increased hospitalisations and deaths. The bold numbers, for cases and deaths in the image are daily numbers. This is in a population where Covid has been rife for 18 months.

I think this is now an acceptable risk in the UK. The NHS can cope and cases are translating into hospitalisations at a much lower rate that earlier in the year. Hospitalisations are rising though.

If a near zero covid mentality continues after 80% vaccination lockdowns will be in place for a long, long time.

Vaccinate, vaccinate vaccinate and calculate an acceptable risk!

any breakdown of deaths in vaccinated vs deaths in unvaccinated ?

 

[TonyHancock]

any breakdown of deaths in vaccinated vs deaths in unvaccinated ?

Pretty clear message I think.

COVID: Three quarters of under-50s in hospital with coronavirus are unvaccinated, figures reveal

(Can't find data on deaths.)

 

[SydneySwan]

Pretty clear message I think.

COVID: Three quarters of under-50s in hospital with coronavirus are unvaccinated, figures reveal

(Can't find data on deaths.)

I wonder how long the vaccinated will be prepared to fund the Covid healthcare of the unvaccinated. This is a very tricky issue with lots of ethical dilemmas but judging by some comments from my friendship groups I think this issue will start to rise as a discussion point.

 

[Pushka]

I wonder how long the vaccinated will be prepared to fund the Covid healthcare of the unvaccinated. This is a very tricky issue with lots of ethical dilemmas but judging by some comments from my friendship groups I think this issue will start to rise as a discussion point.

We will have no choice in this at all.

 

[antycbr]

I wonder how long the vaccinated will be prepared to fund the Covid healthcare of the unvaccinated. This is a very tricky issue with lots of ethical dilemmas but judging by some comments from my friendship groups I think this issue will start to rise as a discussion point.

One suggestion I’ve heard is a Medicare levy surcharge to fund the healthcare system costs.

 

[Batterytraveller]

We will have no choice in this at all.

Agreed, we fund healthcare for all kinds of wilful stupidity and illegal activities. (eg. Smoking, methanphetamine abuse). There’s no ethical dilemma at all the healthcare system is there to pick up the pieces no matter what. It’s for other institutions like taxation and the criminal justice system to shape and penalise poor choices.

 

[TonyHancock]

There’s no ethical dilemma at all the healthcare system is there to pick up the pieces no matter what.

Don't disagree but when the health system cannot cope and people are denied, for example, cancer treatment because hospital beds are full of covid patients then it becomes an issue. Australia has barely been touched by covid yet.

 

[Pushka]

Don't disagree but when the health system cannot cope and people are denied, for example, cancer treatment because hospital beds are full of covid patients then it becomes an issue. Australia has barely been touched by covid yet.

Sure. That is the practical application of this but can't see any other option. It isn't just life saving treatment but also those waiting for surgery to reduce pain, eg hip/knee replacement. Those get cancelled when there is a surge.

 

[jb747]

One suggestion I’ve heard is a Medicare levy surcharge to fund the healthcare system costs.

Governments have proven that they love surcharges, as they can claim they aren’t a tax. Stand by for a surcharge for ‘budget recovery’. Not your budget, they don’t care about that.

 

[tgh]

Not your budget, they don’t care about that.

Indeed .. why don't they just print more and more money easy peasy …stupid people..

 

[jase05]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1434318689927458818

 

[SydneySwan]

NSW 1400 + cases, 3 deaths

 

[burmans]

This is what life looks like in a country (UK) with over 80% of the adult population vaccinated and most restrictions ended.

View attachment 257555
Having lived through Covid in the UK, and now the USA I do look at some of the commentary in Australia with incredulity. The reality is that vaccinations will allow as normal a life as possible but people have to be prepared for increased hospitalisations and deaths. The bold numbers, for cases and deaths in the image are daily numbers. This is in a population where Covid has been rife for 18 months.

I think this is now an acceptable risk in the UK. The NHS can cope and cases are translating into hospitalisations at a much lower rate than earlier in the year. Hospitalisations are rising though.

If a near zero covid mentality continues after 80% vaccination lockdowns will be in place for a long, long time.

Vaccinate, vaccinate vaccinate and calculate an acceptable risk!

In my view the UK opened up slightly too early and should have kept some minor restriction. They aren't quite at 80% fully vaccinated (78%) and there is not a lot of incentive to get it over 80.

Not disagreeing with the basic theory on opening up, just that I think they could have fairly easily got to over 80% fully vaccinated with some fairly basic social engineering and those few percent would make a difference.

 

[TonyHancock]

They aren't quite at 80% fully vaccinated (78%) and there is not a lot of incentive to get it over 80.

Not disagreeing with the basic theory on opening up, just that I think they could have fairly easily got to over 80% fully vaccinated with some fairly basic social engineering and those few percent would make a difference.

Massive difference between Australia and the UK (81.2% vaccinated) though. High level of natural immunity in the UK compared to Australia. (Covid has been circulating for over 18 months) I fear this will be a problem.

Best thing UK did was open up when it did.

 

[33kft]

Best thing UK did was open up when it did.

Best thing for the UK. Australia has put controls in place to keep the mortality rate low throughout the pandemic and can continue to after opening up. We would be much more aligned with Singapore than UK on the opening up model and of course Singapore's mortality rate is significantly lower right now when adjusted for population than the UKs because they have retained some controls to limit spread.

There is not only a single path to follow here.