Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Lynda2475]

Also I think that they need to open some proper hubs around this area

For Pfizer --> St Vincents Hospital Vaccination Clininc is main Eastern Suburbs hub, but there is also the Childrens Hopsital at Randwick, the CBD Pitt St hub (run by Sonic Health for NSW Govt) and this week a pop hub at Green Square Library (Zetland) offering Pfizer to 16-59s from 16th - 25th September. The pop-ups move weekly, just check the NSW health site.

For AZ -> State run walk-in hubs at Bayside (PCYC Eastern Suburbs) and Maroubra (St Mary & St Joseph Church Hall) plus a stack of pharmacies.

Or book at a GP, which is a pain but according tot he checker one in Kensignton has Pfizer appointments within the next 2 days.

 

[nutwood]

Gladys already put him back in place today, correcting his incorrect advice that non-vaccinated people would also get freedoms at 80%, stating clearly that they would not. Vaccinate or stay or excluded, choice is simple.

How exactly are they intending to enforce this process? As far as I can see, the only way you can determine whether someone is vaccinated or not is through some sort of physical check, such as QR check in. There may be support for this sort of police state scrutiny currently but I can't see it lasting. In SA I was noting that even previously enthusiastic businesses are becoming less interested in asking the question and it's difficult to see police continuing to actively enforce into the future. It may be easier than investigating a break and enter but I reckon the novelty would wear off pretty fast!

 

[Princess Fiona]

How exactly are they intending to enforce this process? As far as I can see, the only way you can determine whether someone is vaccinated or not is through some sort of physical check, such as QR check in. There may be support for this sort of police state scrutiny currently but I can't see it lasting. In SA I was noting that even previously enthusiastic businesses are becoming less interested in asking the question and it's difficult to see police continuing to actively enforce into the future. It may be easier than investigating a break and enter but I reckon the novelty would wear off pretty fast!

I believe they are going to integrate the QR code check-in on Service NSW App with the vaccine certificate.
Check-in and if vaccinated you get a green tick or something similar. If the business requires the customer or client to be vaccinated eg. Hairdresser in Sydney at 70% then good to go. If no green tick then appointment cancelled.
Not sure of the enforcement of this but a business may think twice if they are closed for a deep clean and appear on the list after doing a blow dry on an unvaccinated client with covid.

 

[nutwood]

Not sure of the enforcement of this but a business may think twice if they are closed for a deep clean and appear on the list after doing a blow dry on an unvaccinated client with covid.

It's the enforcement I'm considering. If the client "forgets" to check in, the business won't be appearing on the list. All that's left behind a client who doesn't check in is the payment for the service.
There's obviously also the Covid risk but a vaccinated client can carry that in just as ably as an unvaccinated client. These lockdowns have hurt small businesses well beyond the compensation provided. I doubt many will be looking to turn away paying customers.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I believe they are going to integrate the QR code check-in on Service NSW App with the vaccine certificate.
Check-in and if vaccinated you get a green tick or something similar. If the business requires the customer or client to be vaccinated eg. Hairdresser in Sydney at 70% then good to go. If no green tick then appointment cancelled.
Not sure of the enforcement of this but a business may think twice if they are closed for a deep clean and appear on the list after doing a blow dry on an unvaccinated client with covid.

May be in the early days fines will be issued at the 70% stage when only fully vaccinated (plus exemptions) should be out and about (apart from critical activites eg grocery shopping).

It would depend on what rules fall away at 80% and how long NSW Government can use the Doherty report to keep the unvaccinated locked out.

Unfortunately businesses can be subject to a deep clean regardless of whether someone is vaccinated or unvaccinated - though its a smaller chance for a vaccinated person to have the virus.

It's the enforcement I'm considering. If the client "forgets" to check in, the business won't be appearing on the list. All that's left behind a client who doesn't check in is the payment for the service.
There's obviously also the Covid risk but a vaccinated client can carry that in just as ably as an unvaccinated client. These lockdowns have hurt small businesses well beyond the compensation provided. I doubt many will be looking to turn away paying customers.

And there will be a time when the NSW Government cannot lock out the unvaccinated. For example, I cannot see lockouts of the unvaccinated happening in NSW for the entirety of 2022. And when this relaxation does eventually happen, its then down to business to choose what type of customers based on the customers' vaccination status to accept. There can't be fines where businesses are given a choice.

 

[burmans]

Will just leave this here before todays NSW update.

'Cases slowing right down': Experts say the curve is flattening in Greater Sydney

There are signs the COVID-19 curve in Greater Sydney is flattening after nearly 12 weeks of lockdown, according to leading epidemiologists and an analysis of NSW Health infection data.

www.abc.net.au

 

[moa999]

NSW.
78.8% first dose. 8.2m total now.
1127 locally cases. Down again. (+8 overseas and 1 from Vic)
114k tests
2 deaths

https://twitter.com/x/status/1437582630560550912

Will definitely mean R below 1 on all the models.

 

[Seat0B]

How exactly are they intending to enforce this process? As far as I can see, the only way you can determine whether someone is vaccinated or not is through some sort of physical check, such as QR check in. There may be support for this sort of police state scrutiny currently but I can't see it lasting. In SA I was noting that even previously enthusiastic businesses are becoming less interested in asking the question and it's difficult to see police continuing to actively enforce into the future. It may be easier than investigating a break and enter but I reckon the novelty would wear off pretty fast!

There is a lack of interest in complying here in the ACT, right now. But it seems that our Chief Minister is pretty keen on enforcing compliance.

'Taking privilege for granted': Businesses frustrated at COVID rule-breakers

Businesses warned repeated non compliance could see them shut down.

www.canberratimes.com.au

 

[SydneySwan]

Just been watching Barr's presser. Woeful performance - no real plan out. Just blaming NSW for not handling their outbreak better.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Just been watching Barr's presser. Woeful performance - no real plan out. Just blaming NSW for not handling their outbreak better.

He is getting worked over today, doing the 'will commit to nothing' dance.

Another 4 weeks in lockdown is going to be very rough for a bunch of business's / individuals. Vague reference to "the plan" and "last year" when vaccination wasnt even a blip on the map is very strange. No talk of what else is going to be given to businesses.

 

[jakeseven7]

Just been watching Barr's presser. Woeful performance - no real plan out. Just blaming NSW for not handling their outbreak better.

Yawn I know. Everyone’s bashed NSW enough now it’s done, move on. ACT just needs to move into the next phase of living with the virus. At the moment if you listen to the cough coming out from the top they seem still 8 months behind the game!

And why are we still even talking about case numbers, what on earth do we think is going to happen once NSW starts lifting restrictions seriously….

 

[jase05]

Yawn I know. Everyone’s bashed NSW enough now it’s done, move on. ACT just needs to move into the next phase of living with the virus. At the moment if you listen to the cough coming out from the top they seem still 8 months behind the game!

And why are we still even talking about case numbers, what on earth do we think is going to happen once NSW starts lifting restrictions seriously….

ACT has extended lockdown for another 4 weeks

 

[ethernet]

ACT, Barr performance tells me he is sticking to a master plan, including whole of Australia. WT should WA's and laggard states be added into the decision numbers. ACT is an island, and must be roughly equal with Northshore NSW. One month more, sounds poor, because 'Essential workers' because instant tests are not being used. I think there are some in the national stockpile, and they must be approaching expiry dates. Use em or loose em. I think two months is a near certainty, given 0-12yo's were aired. I think Barr is going for 90%.

On NSW, they have hit a head numbers wise, although if the lockdown was effective, it should be trending below 1000 by now. They mentioned mobile phone locations - they know or could know who is breaking quarantine, same for Victoria. In China, such people do get rounded up. Those who have not heeded the call to the jab in a timely manner - deserve to take their chances.

Looking at NSW, and my concern that the least unvaccinated hotspots are the real danger, Western NSW got off lightly. Sorting LGA's with the lowest vaccination rates - those next to the Qld border are the next predicted to 'go' . Come the silly season, Qld should be very worried.

In the interest of saving lives, the obvious thing to do is run Centrelink client(CRN) payments identified as Aboriginal join with AIR records, sort by postcode vaccination rates low to high. Blitz those areas. There-again, Qld does not want to know.

Background: https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...-19-vaccination-local-government-area-lga.pdf
Way too many N/A's in this report

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[jrfsp]

Background: https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...-19-vaccination-local-government-area-lga.pdf
Way too many N/A's in this report

Wow so many N/A! Sounds like they dont have accurate population numbers in the remote regions....

"Shading denotes LGAs with large ‘very remote’ and ‘remote’ areas where geo-coding addresses is difficult, often leading to artificially low counts". Whatever that means

EDIT some of those places are major towns.

 

[justinbrett]

Looking at NSW, and my concern that the least unvaccinated hotspots are the real danger, Western NSW got off lightly. Sorting LGA's with the lowest vaccination rates - those next to the Qld border are the next predicted to 'go' . Come the silly season, Qld should be very worried.

Go where exactly?

There's only two NSW LGAs below the QLD state average for first jabs - Byron (only marginally lower, 55.9%) and Edward River which is the other side of Sydney.

Considering NNSW hasn't had cases in many weeks and is now out of lockdown - possibly the focus for low vaccination rates deserve to be in states other than NSW.

 

[oz_mark]

And why are we still even talking about case numbers, what on earth do we think is going to happen once NSW starts lifting restrictions seriously….

Some are still of the Covid 0 mindset.

Others are looking past the time when Covid 0 is not attainable.

It's all about mindset. Some premiers have moved past it, some haven't.

 

[nutwood]

Some are still of the Covid 0 mindset.

Others are looking past the time when Covid 0 is not attainable.

It's all about mindset. Some premiers have moved past it, some haven't.

The failing here rests with those who allowed the situation to become State V State. Obviously Premiers responsible for States with natural isolation advantages are going to take a different view to those lacking such insulation.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

It may become relevant for Australia in six months from now how the UK does for its upcoming Autumn/Winter - the official Autumn/Winter plan - with a plan B (reintroduction of vaccine passports being part of local restrictions)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1017404/COVID-19-response-autumn-and-winter-plan-2021.pdf

 

[jrfsp]

NT only has 20 ICU beds: bit worrying, very vulnerable population up there:​

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"NT Chief Minister: 'We know we cannot keep it out forever'​

But we can’t just ‘let it rip’, Michael Gunner says.

He stressed they don't have the ICU beds of southern states — they've only got 20."

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Not in Australia but DIL's sister in the UK has Covid. Fully immunised I think with Pfizer given age in thirties. A week into it and unwell but so far not severely ill.

Yes friends of mine (30s fully vaccinated) got it recently too.

Basically like the flu...isolation for 10 days. More worryingly was loss of taste / smell....still not got it fully back.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

NT only has 20 ICU beds: bit worrying, very vulnerable population up there:​

​

"NT Chief Minister: 'We know we cannot keep it out forever'​

But we can’t just ‘let it rip’, Michael Gunner says.

He stressed they don't have the ICU beds of southern states — they've only got 20."

Post automatically merged: Sep 15, 2021

Yes friends of mine (30s fully vaccinated) got it recently too.

Basically like the flu...isolation for 10 days. More worryingly was loss of taste / smell....still not got it fully back.

Guardian reporting...20 beds but maximum 5 in Darwin and 3 in Alice Springs for covid

NT chief minister Michael Gunner said that even when they hit 80% of the local population vaccinated (which should happen in the next 50 days), the Territory is going to have to keep border closures to parts of Australia that have high Covid-19 case numbers.

He said that “even in this next phase of the national plan our number one objective will be to keep Covid out as much as we possibly can so we can manage it safely.”

Gunner:

Full-scale community transmission is not something we can contemplate up here even with high vaccination rates. We don’t have the hospitals that Sydney and Melbourne have, we don’t have the same ICU capacity, and we have a lot of other health collages to manage up here on top of Covid. We need to do everything possible to prevent a situation like New South Wales happening here where they are now predicting thousands of people will be hospitalised with Covid with hundreds requiring ICU beds.
We don’t have hundreds of ICU beds. We have 20 ICU beds... We can probably assign eight of them for Covid patients, up to five in Darwin and three in Alice. That’s it. We have done the planning, mapping out the worst case scenarios the choices we would have to make, who gets and bed and who doesn’t ... We have thought about those choices. We don’t want to make them. We know Covid is coming eventually. We know we cannot keep it out forever. But that does not mean we just let Covid rip and hope for the best.