Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[HappyFlyerFamily]

NSW reports 17 cases today.

Of the 17 new cases to 8pm last night:

• One is locally acquired with no known source
• One is a returned traveller in hotel quarantine
• 15 are linked to a known case or cluster:
  • Eight are linked to the August CBD cluster
  • Six are linking to St Paul’s Greystanes – the source of the original case at St Paul’s remains under investigation
  • One is linked to Liverpool Hospital

The CBD cluster is now 49.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Qld reported 2 new cases today, linked to known cases

 

[Pushka]

Has there been any link found with the current cluster in Qld and why that started? Has it been linked with the three women of a few weeks ago?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Has there been any link found with the current cluster in Qld and why that started? Has it been linked with the three women of a few weeks ago?

They could not link it definitively because on genomic testing some strains are the same (ie the same mutation appears multiple times).

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Has there been any link found with the current cluster in Qld and why that started? Has it been linked with the three women of a few weeks ago?

From what a report of what Dr Short said both the Detention Centre and the 3 women have been infected by the same strain, but that the Detention Centre cases have probably not not been via the 3 women. ie They are most likely on different branches of that strain.

But virologist with the University of Queensland Kirsty Short said the results of the genomic testing did not find enough evidence to link the two.

Dr Short said this was because the genomic test results do not show the route a specific strain of coronavirus has taken.

The strain, which appeared in the test results of both clusters, is a common strain that has been circulating widely across Victoria and New South Wales.

Why health authorities are so eager to find the missing link in Queensland's coronavirus clusters

Health authorities were hopeful genomic testing would help find the mystery link between two coronavirus clusters but the results are not strong enough to identify a source.

www.abc.net.au

 

[RooFlyer]

Accountability is not a bad thing, as long as it's not unwieldy and inefficient. But the powers to enforce public health directions in other states don't seem to be under quite the same scrutiny as "Chairman's Dan's", because IIRC (and I could be misunderstanding this), unlike in Victoria they don't need to go back to parliament to extend. (But I might have just read that in a left wing media outlet, so I could be wrong, but don't have the time, nor inclination, to do the research myself.)

Yes, in Tas there is no Parliamentary agreement required and I have criticised that a number of times here. I think you are being very generous in seeing a ‘negotiation tactic’.

Parliament may be ‘unwieldy’ but as the old saying goes, democracy is the worst system, except for all the others.

I didn’t think negotiation was a tactic if the Victorian Premier at all. Not very evident in his media statements anyway. He wanted a year and was dragged screaming to 6 months after a couple of days.

 

[RooFlyer]

Can I ask if you would prefer to be in the DPRT with no oversight on their SoE or the only state that has said oversight?

Oh, definitely with parliamentary oversight, but such that it has effective oversight - regular review.

I’m not sure where the misreporting was - I was in no doubt what the request being made meant ( powers at hand vs their implementation ). But a government should not be given the latitude to have SoE implementation powers Carte Blanche for a period well beyond the foreseeable timeframe for any crisis, especially when they can go back for another helping the same way as they are now.

 

[dajop]

I didn’t think negotiation was a tactic if the Victorian Premier at all. Not very evident in his media statements anyway. He wanted a year and was dragged screaming to 6 months after a couple of days.

If Chairman Dan is nothing else, he's pretty astute in doing deals. In fact some say that's all he's good at, doing backroom deals (not that I agree with that viewpoint, but anyway I digress), if it's such a tactic, you'd be pretty assertive in that's what you want ...

"So, we want to to extend the SOE by six months"
" No way will we get the cross benchers to support that"
"What do we do to keep them happy then?"
"Let's put it out there in the presser we need 12 months, then compromise with them at 6"

Or am I too cynical?

 

[RooFlyer]

If Chairman Dan is nothing else, he's pretty astute in doing deals.

I'll concede to one with broader knowledge of the man, but I wouldn't have thought that someone with the nickname 'Chairman' (as in CCP I gather) was one known for negotiation or deals. But there you go . But lastly (from me, I think#) if he was OK with 6 months, why did it take the better part of a week of haggling? So he could string out being 'beaten' and the bad press for longer?

# Terms and conditions apply

 

[dajop]

But lastly (from me, I think#) if he was OK with 6 months, why did it take the better part of a week of haggling? So he could string out being 'beaten' and the bad press for longer?

# Terms and conditions apply

Aah yes, but initially everyone (well the crossbenchers anyway) were suggesting 1 month or at most 3 months... I suspect that was what the haggling about.

Mind you, you probably are right, his health people probably advised this thing will hang around for at least another 12 months so better cover that period.

 

[jakeseven7]

Dan got exactly what he wanted, its pretty 101 politics and the state opposition is just looking shrill and squawky in the background as a result. Was hilarious to watch unfold.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

If Chairman Dan is nothing else, he's pretty astute in doing deals. In fact some say that's all he's good at, doing backroom deals (not that I agree with that viewpoint, but anyway I digress), if it's such a tactic, you'd be pretty assertive in that's what you want ...

"So, we want to to extend the SOE by six months"
" No way will we get the cross benchers to support that"
"What do we do to keep them happy then?"
"Let's put it out there in the presser we need 12 months, then compromise with them at 6"

Or am I too cynical?

Not at all. Rare would be a bill (including amendments) in either State or Federal Politics from any party that has been voted on that has not been amended before it was passed. Indeed, has there ever been such a beast?

 

[p--and--t]

Cogitating this afternoon to myself. Just wondering if anyone is going to point out to those people in some states & territories advocating for the borders to be closed to residents from NSW and VIC for up to another 12 months should be educated that their state gov budgets are sustained largely by NSW and VIC taxpayers. Ignoring the direct impact of preventing 50% of Australia's population from travelling to and spending in those states & territories; in some states & territories 30% or more of the GST distribution inputs to their economy are paid for by taxpayers of NSW and VIC.

GST distributions per $ "earned" 2019-2020. (WA is a special case, gets additional money from side allocations and historically had huge revenues from mining royalties etc.)

New South Wales	0.87013​
Victoria	0.98273​
Queensland	1.05370​
Western Australia	0.51842​
South Australia	1.46552​
Tasmania	1.75576​
Australian Capital Territory	1.23759​
Northern Territory	4.26735​
Total	1.00000​

 

[Lynda2475]

Im on a break in Byron Bay so havent been across the news as much as I would ifat home,but just saw a snippet on channel 9 news saying AP is allowing 100s of AFL officials and fans to fly from Melbourne to Brisbane for AFL grand final without needing to quarantine, yet Northern Rivers (Lismore, Ballina, Byron) residents are denied entry for medicsl treatment even though tbere are no activeCovid cases tbere.

I know AP has an election to win, but if its true it is abhorrent to deny specialist medical treatment to those living in low risk areas within 40mins drive of the border, but somehow think footy fans are safer - what a joke!

AP continually fails to work with or consult GB and it isnt just a difference in parties ,as DA is labor but has worked with GB.

 

[Pushka]

Cogitating this afternoon to myself. Just wondering if anyone is going to point out to those people in some states & territories advocating for the borders to be closed to residents from NSW and VIC for up to another 12 months should be educated that their state gov budgets are sustained largely by NSW and VIC taxpayers. Ignoring the direct impact of preventing 50% of Australia's population from travelling to and spending in those states & territories; in some states & territories 30% or more of the GST distribution inputs to their economy are paid for by taxpayers of NSW and VIC.

GST distributions per $ "earned". WA is a special case, gets additional money from side allocations and historically had huge revenues from mining royalties etc.

I absolutely agree and it surprises me that this hasnt been raised as an issue.. Maybe it has been behind closed doors. The tin hat brigade in SA seem completely oblivious to the fact that many of our supplies (let alone GST revenue) comes from interstate. On the other hand, because of the drastic closures in Victoria, maybe the contributions to national GST will change now.

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Im on a break in Byron Bay so havent been across the news as much as I would ifat home,but just saw a snippet on channel 9 news saying AP is allowing 100s of AFL officials and fans to fly from Melbourne to Brisbane for AFL grand final without needing to quarantine, yet Northern Rivers (Lismore, Ballina, Byron) residents are denied entry for medicsl treatment even though tbere are no activeCovid cases tbere.

I know AP has an election to win, but if its true it is abhorrent to deny specialist medical treatment to those living in low risk areas within 40mins drive of the border, but somehow think footy fans are safer - what a joke!

AP continually fails to work with or consult GB and it isnt just a difference in parties ,as DA is labor but has worked with GB.

This is the very exact discussion I have been having on the other thread about footballer administrators et al being granted special favours.

Angry about proposed travel ban exemption for footballers

I’d hope the first team in wins the right for a home game.... This gives 2 week lead time..... emininetly achievable especially since there’s limited travel options around Australia..... 60,000 in sees a front-runner, however not made it easy with a no exemptions policy. 25,000 tics with “we...

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

 

[DC3]

This thread is veering way off topic. Are we still discussing “Australian Reports of the Virus Spread”.

Edited

 

[Pushka]

This thread is veering way off topic. Are we still discussing “Australian Reports of the Virus Spread”.

Edited

Here you go then. As of today SA is currently Covid free with no active cases.

 

[TomVexille]

I'll concede to one with broader knowledge of the man, but I wouldn't have thought that someone with the nickname 'Chairman' (as in CCP I gather) was one known for negotiation or deals. But there you go . But lastly (from me, I think#) if he was OK with 6 months, why did it take the better part of a week of haggling? So he could string out being 'beaten' and the bad press for longer?

# Terms and conditions apply l

Given that Dan outwardly appears to have a pretty decent working relationship with Scotty, ie. they work together in a bipartisan way to benefit Victorians, maybe he is good at negotiation.

 

[RooFlyer]

Not at all. Rare would be a bill (including amendments) in either State or Federal Politics from any party that has been voted on that has not been amended before it was passed. Indeed, has there ever been such a beast?

I daresay plenty, where the governing party has a majority in both houses (one house for QLD). But that's pretty rare these days. But as DC3 pointed out, we are getting a little OT here

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Here you go then. As of today SA is currently Covid free with no active cases.

No new cases today in the rest of the country. So total of 109 new cases today (note: Australia was double digit new cases for three of the past 7 days).

SA joins Tasmania, NT and ACT with no active cases. WA with 5 active cases will probably join them within 7-10 days assuming no new cases arising in quarantine.