Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Pushka]

They are tested before they travel. If anyone returns a positive result (no one has) they are not permitted to travel. So all the pics are of people who have been tested. Normal quarantine has people tested after they travel.

They are isolated as a group transition quarantine. If one of that group now returns a positive test, then all of them will be quarantined for longer in that transition bubble for longer. If no one tests positive then they all get transferred to the other existing quarantine bubbles subject to ongoing daily health monitoring and ongoing CV19 testing. They are not free to mingle with the general public either now or later.

With the AFL bubble it is effectively an ongoing quarantine till they leave the bubble, and for some who started their interstate bubble in July (actual AFL bubbles started much earlier ) this will adds up to 4 or5 months. That is a longtime to live in quarantine/isoation, even if the arrangements are different.

I didnt read where the AFL group had been tested prior to travel. That doesnt seem to have hit the media that I've seen. Certainly the players have had much tougher considerations than those who just arrived. But many occupational and family groups have had to experience exactly the same degree of separation.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Graphs of new daily cases and growth based on 7 day averages for Vic (current as of 4 Sep)

 

[RooFlyer]

I have to say that news footage tonight of the poolside relaxation in the AFL quarantine was not a good look. You’d want to hope that none of those travellers have Covid as there didn’t look to be much social distancing going on.

It just got worse .

With the AFL bubble it is effectively an ongoing quarantine till they leave the bubble, and for some who started their interstate bubble in July (actual AFL bubbles started much earlier ) this will adds up to 3 or 4 months in total for interstate bubbles, and another month or two for total living in quaratine/isolation. That is a longtime to live in quarantine/isolation, even if the arrangements are different.

That's the theory; but reality is unfortunately otherwise (unless strip clubs are in the bubble ) ...you couldn't make this stuff up:

AFL: Richmond players caught up in brawl outside Gold Coast strip club

The Courier-Mail has been told the two players, Sydney Stack and Callum Coleman-Jones were involved in an altercation last night after being evicted from Hollywood Showgirls on the glitter strip’s Orchid Ave.

It is understood police were called, with the fight occurring just metres from the police station.

Hundreds of AFL players, families and officials have relocated to Queensland to keep the season going away from Melbourne’s coronavirus outbreak.

To prevent the spread of the virus, clubs have been quarantining in Gold Coast “hubs” – resorts where families can lounge by the pool and interact with each other but not the outside world.

Players are required to live in a “bubble”.

 

[RAM]

Fair 'nuff. But if it was a set-up, designed to attract attention, then a professional police force should assess the 'risk' and 'threat' when they go to see the person (it was, and as far as I'm aware, still is only an 'alleged' breach). Finding a pregnant lady with kids about should have caused them to step their approach down a bit. 'De-escalation of threats' is a pretty common police skill these days ... in this case, it was the police who needed some 'de-escalation'.

Re the filming, mentioned earlier I think, it takes zero time these days to grab one's mobile phone and start the video function. No 'set up' needed.

• Look, those who've read my various rambles over the years here know I am very anti 'demo march' and pro police keeping the law. No apologies for that. But this, as far as we know (and I've just checked news again), was a stupidly disproportional response. Especially when we see the response of the Victorian police to other threatened demos etc.

Yes, supporting the thought that she wasn't a scheming rabble- rouser, she's complimented the police about her treatment when they got her to the police station.

I think the 'blow-back' may have been far more severe than she anticipated.

Just a couple of flashing lights in what she's said - too many inconsistencies & deliberate media-friendly strategies employed.

• 'I thought I was being kidnapped' so I got my phone and started a facebook live session & then handed my phone to another adult to film with (not a child given the height it is being held at).
• Wearing her same pjs to the media event she scheduled the next day
• Not knowing that organising an event was an offence - there's been so much publicity for months in Victoria about organising protests being an offence, near blanket coverage.
• The fact that she organised a media event the very next morning -by itself is suggestive. How many 'I didn't realise..' people would:

1. Know how to organise a full media conference
2. Be thinking about doing it after getting back home from the police station
3. The police did not take her away and leave the children unattended - the 'camera-holding' adult looked after them
4. If children were so traumatised - as a parent (for those of us lucky enough) - would your first thought be to organise an even greater ruckus the next morning?

No, I think this falls into the 'looks, walks & quacks' category.

 

[RAM]

I am not inclined to deny the seriousness of covid either but what if Dr Young announced 'NSW roads are very dangerous. The border will be closed to NSW drivers until we have 28 days of no fatal accidents on NSW roads.'

The difference being that one traffic accident does not lead to 7 the next day leading to 23 theweek after and 12,000 after 32 days.

But that was just New York.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Assuming the other states and territories have zero new cases, then Australia is back under 100 new cases today.

NSW reports 8 new cases

Of the eight new cases to 8pm last night:

• One is a returned traveller in hotel quarantine
• Seven are locally acquired and linked to a known source or cluster

Of the seven cases linked to known clusters:

• Three are contacts of cases linked to the CBD cluster
• Two are contacts of cases linked to the St Pauls Catholic College Greystanes cluster
• Two are household contacts of previously reported cases linked to Liverpool Hospital

11 community transmission (unknown source) in the last 2 weeks.

 

[dajop]

The difference being that one traffic accident does not lead to 7 the next day leading to 23 theweek after and 12,000 after 32 days.

But that was just New York.

The other argument one can make

",,, ,the road toll has reduced down to just 300 a year, whilst 10,000 people a year die from heart disease... " therefore we should take back our freedoms and relax restrictins! Increase the speed limits, allow us to talk on phone whilst we are driving, let us enjoy a drink or two before we drive home, let us be free to drive without the oppressive need to wear a seat belt.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

It just got worse .

Players are required to live in a “bubble”.

They should be expelled and suspended. Personally I would delist them permanently for such a flagrant breach.

 

[RooFlyer]

I think the 'blow-back' may have been far more severe than she anticipated.

Just a couple of flashing lights in what she's said - too many inconsistencies & deliberate media-friendly strategies employed.

• 'I thought I was being kidnapped' so I got my phone and started a facebook live session & then handed my phone to another adult to film with (not a child given the height it is being held at).
• Wearing her same pjs to the media event she scheduled the next day
• Not knowing that organising an event was an offence - there's been so much publicity for months in Victoria about organising protests being an offence, near blanket coverage.
• The fact that she organised a media event the very next morning -by itself is suggestive. How many 'I didn't realise..' people would:

1. Know how to organise a full media conference
2. Be thinking about doing it after getting back home from the police station
3. The police did not take her away and leave the children unattended - the 'camera-holding' adult looked after them
4. If children were so traumatised - as a parent (for those of us lucky enough) - would your first thought be to organise an even greater ruckus the next morning?

No, I think this falls into the 'looks, walks & quacks' category.

Well, if you think that way, but I think it falls into the "If its a choice between a stuff up and a conspiracy, its usually a stuff up" category.

But I repeat, even if it was a set-up, a conspiracy etc etc, there is no excuse for 2 policemen, standing in the living room with a pajama-clad pregnant lady, dare I say of much more diminutive stature than the 2 cops, to cuff her hands behind her back, for an alleged inciting Facebook post. Or do you think that was part of her evil plan too?

Just look at these two. Might be some of Victoria's finest, on duty. Tough guys, got the situation totally under control. I wonder what's up with the collar-up, no uniform thing?


Source: BBC.


I note the Deputy Police Commissioner was unapologetic, other than the "optics" were bad. That is, Victorian policemen have free reign to treat people in this way, as long as they don't get caught.

Others should be worried. This from today's Oz;

 

[drron]

Sick of this constant reporting.I would like it reported along the lines of 99.8998% of Australians have not had Covid 19.
Though in Victoria that falls to 99.7% have not had Covid 19.
Even 0.03% of Australians have died with Covid 19.

Even the average age of Australian men dying with Covid 19 is 81.1 The average life expectancy of Australian men is 80.4 years.
The average age of Australian women who die with Covid is 85.2.The average life expectancy of Australian women is 84.9 years

But bad news attracts more readers or viewers.

 

[jakeseven7]

Press conference at 1:15pm - AP apparently tanked National Cabinet and Scomo is rolling out the big guns....

BREAKING:
@ScottMorrisonMP
has declared national cabinet will “no longer be run on a consensus approach” after QLD refused to agree to a national definition of hotspots to reopen borders

https://twitter.com/x/status/1301713047598235648

 

[Pushka]

Sick of this constant reporting.I would like it reported along the lines of 99.8998% of Australians have not had Covid 19.
Though in Victoria that falls to 99.7% have not had Covid 19.
Even 0.03% of Australians have died with Covid 19.

Even the average age of Australian men dying with Covid 19 is 81.1 The average life expectancy of Australian men is 80.4 years.
The average age of Australian women who die with Covid is 85.2.The average life expectancy of Australian women is 84.9 years

But bad news attracts more readers or viewers.

And fostered by politicians who have read Crichtons State of Fear and used for their own agenda.

 

[RooFlyer]

Post National Cabinet presser by Tas Premier, Tas CHO, followed by questions; I was listening via my phone. I damn near threw my phone into the water, so frustrating was it to listen to the blah-blah, we'll keep Tasmanians safe, we won't open borders, people are frighted, I'll avoid answering that question etc.

Tas not signing up to the National hot-spot proposal. Premier linked COVID State of Emergency to the coming bushfire season, implying the SoE will be extended during summer "in case we need to source bush fire fighting resources from interstate." Little dictator. Unfortunately, Mr 70% approval little dictator.

 

[RAM]

Well, if you think that way, but I think it falls into the "If its a choice between a stuff up and a conspiracy, its usually a stuff up" category.

But I repeat, even if it was a set-up, a conspiracy etc etc, there is no excuse for 2 policemen, standing in the living room with a pajama-clad pregnant lady, dare I say of much more diminutive stature than the 2 cops, to cuff her hands behind her back, for an alleged inciting Facebook post. Or do you think that was part of her evil plan too?

Just look at these two. Might be some of Victoria's finest, on duty. Tough guys, got the situation totally under control. I wonder what's up with the collar-up, no uniform thing?

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Source: BBC.


I note the Deputy Police Commissioner was unapologetic, other than the "optics" were bad. That is, Victorian policemen have free reign to treat people in this way, as long as they don't get caught.

If the police officers did not follow standard operating procedures (restrain suspect until search is completed to ensure no weapons etc) then they would have been in trouble.

Sometimes you cannot win in trial by media even if you are following all the rules.

An important consideration at any time - but "Never Assume" achieves paramount significance for the police. More so in the US, but there are too many cases of weapons being secreted in baby's or small children's cots.

BTW - did you know how many police are seriously injured (more than bruising) when either attending a DV or arresting a suspect in a home? Typically can account for around 13-20% of full time police on duty. In some Local Area Commands it has been over 40% since 2000.

 

[RooFlyer]

If the police officers did not follow standard operating procedures (restrain suspect until search is completed to ensure no weapons etc) then they would have been in trouble.

There is no discretion as to situation, then? So, 90 yo granny on her zimmer frame who didn't pay her cat registration fee on time would get the same treatment in Victoria? Maybe they would kick the zimmer frame away so it couldn't be used as a weapon, then, when she is face down on the floor, apply the cuffs?

I really think you are defending the indefensible.

 

[p--and--t]

Well, if you think that way, but I think it falls into the "If its a choice between a stuff up and a conspiracy, its usually a stuff up" category.

But I repeat, even if it was a set-up, a conspiracy etc etc, there is no excuse for 2 policemen, standing in the living room with a pajama-clad pregnant lady, dare I say of much more diminutive stature than the 2 cops, to cuff her hands behind her back, for an alleged inciting Facebook post. Or do you think that was part of her evil plan too?

Just look at these two. Might be some of Victoria's finest, on duty. Tough guys, got the situation totally under control. I wonder what's up with the collar-up, no uniform thing?

I note the Deputy Police Commissioner was unapologetic, other than the "optics" were bad. That is, Victorian policemen have free reign to treat people in this way, as long as they don't get caught.

Ok. I take from your comments you are in the camp for allowing members of the police force to not have a code of conduct, not have standard operating procedures, not treating all arrests equally without bias regardless of their own personal views, making judgements on modifying procedures on a whim of personal preferences, making decisions that magistrates are appointed to make?

Interesting position.

The police did exact what the law, health orders, operating procedures, their training & the arrest warrant required them to do. From the currently available footage and statements to camera by the women herself, they did it in a professional, respectful and efficient manner.

 

[RooFlyer]

Ok. I take from your comments you are all for allowing members of the police force to not have a code of conduct, not have standard operating procedures, not treating all arrests equally without bias regardless of their own personal views, making judgements on modifying procedures on a whim of personal preferences, making decisions that magistrates are appointed to make?

Interesting position.

You were probably posting at the same time as me, but same question applies. No discretion as to circumstances? Granny always gets the same treatment as a Hells Angel?

Interesting position?

And for those who apply the "SoP" argument, tell us then why the BLM advertised marches was treated different from this current situation. I'd be really fascinated to know.

 

[get me outta here]

There was another person apparently inciting for the same purpose and when police went into his house he did have weapons. MEL Age:

“The 27-year-old has now been charged by police with incitement, possession of prohibited weapons and two counts of resisting police.

He is the latest person to be arrested for allegedly inciting an illegal protest against Melbourne's tough stage four lockdown that is planned to take place at the Shrine of Remembrance on Saturday.”.

“According to his Facebook page, Mr Bartolo moderates the QAnon conspiracy group Conscious Truth Network, where he appears in the group banner beside the words "How do we stop the cabal? Simple. Stop acquiescing!".

If the police officers did not follow standard operating procedures (restrain suspect until search is completed to ensure no weapons etc) then they would have been in trouble.

Sometimes you cannot win in trial by media even if you are following all the rules.

An important consideration at any time - but "Never Assume" achieves paramount significance for the police. More so in the US, but there are too many cases of weapons being secreted in baby's or small children's cots.

BTW - did you know how many police are seriously injured (more than bruising) when either attending a DV or arresting a suspect in a home? Typically can account for around 13-20% of full time police on duty. In some Local Area Commands it has been over 40% since 2000.

 

[drron]

Though the Victorian bar is critical of the arrest of the Ballarat mum.

"Wendy Harris QC, President of the Victorian Bar, said “We recognise the importance of compliance with the law, but enforcement of those laws needs to be proportionate and consistent”.


In the case of Ms Buhler, who was arrested and handcuffed in her home in front of her partner and children, the Bar is concerned that the enforcement action of the police – both in arresting her and handcuffing her – appeared disproportionate to the threat she presented. The law in Victoria, explained by the Supreme Court of Victoria and the Court of Appeal in Slaveski v Victoria and Perkins v County Court of Victoria, is that a police officer is not entitled to use handcuffs on a person merely because an arrest has been made. The footage of Ms Buhler’s arrest portrays no threat posed by her conduct which was suggestive of the need to apply handcuffs.


Consistency in the enforcement of the law is also critical; without it, confidence in the rule of law is undermined. The Victorian Bar is concerned that the enforcement response to Ms Buhler’s conduct is apparently at odds with other reported and more measured responses by authorities to organisers or promoters of similar protests planned or carried out in contravention of public health directives.


We have today written to the Minister for Police and Emergency Services, the Hon. Lisa Neville, to raise these matters of concern."

Media Release – 3 September 2020 | Victorian Bar

The Victorian Bar viewed with concern the footage of the arrest of Ballarat woman, Zoe Buhler, on incitement charges, after she posted details of a protest against government health directives on h

www.vicbar.com.au

 

[RAM]

There is no discretion as to situation, then? So, 90 yo granny on her zimmer frame who didn't pay her cat registration fee on time would get the same treatment in Victoria? Maybe they would kick the zimmer frame away so it couldn't be used as a weapon, then, when she is face down on the floor, apply the cuffs?

I really think you are defending the indefensible.

CONGRATULATIONS - I believe you have set a world record for 'drawing a long bow' there!

AFAIK that is not a criminal offence under the declared State of Emergency.

I also believe that pensioners or over 65s have that fee waived if they request it.

However, in what we've been talking about, the lady was not thrown to the ground nor had any negative comments to make about her treatment by police.

Being the pedant I am, I decided to do a search (for completeness) & came across an article about a 100yr old man who killed an 82yr old with an axe, but no mention of a zimmer frame.

100-Year-Old Man Allegedly Kills 88-Year-Old Wife, Then Commits Suicide, Prosecutor Says

A 100-year-old man is believed to have killed his 88-year-old wife overnight in New Jersey before killing himself, authorities say.

abcnews.go.com

Then there's this one:

Deputy Zackary Hughes responded to a disturbance at a mobile home in Marion... | Why cops shoot | Tampa Bay Times

The oldest was a deranged 80-year-old man who shot at an officer before the officer fired back. He, too, lived.