Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[drron]

Don't know about that case RooFlyer but it is not just Victorian police or a Covid lockdown that is the problem.
This is a report about a Canberra Rugby League player charged with assault by NSW's finest.

Cleared: NRL star Curtis Scott cleared of police assault

Rugby league star Curtis Scott has had police assault charges dropped after arrest footage played to a court showed him doing little more than “dreamily” raising his arms at officers while passed out.

www.news.com.au

So handcuffed while unconscious.Then pepper sprayed,tasered and punched after being handcuffed.

 

[dajop]

Was talking to some less emotional Melburnians and they don’t see the big deal with the curfew. Maybe it’s even a little storm in a teacup distraction for everyone to focus on. If anything it maybe could have been a bit later. But after all, in “normal times” what are people doing out in evenings/nights ?

1) eating out in restaurants ....not allowed
2( going to pubs/bars etc .... not allowed
3( going shopping for food .... shops shut (maybe would have stayed open a little later)
4) picking up takeaway (yes 9pm would have been more reasonable)
5) visiting friends, going to parties .... not allowed
6) going for a drive .... not allowed
7). Going to or from work ... allowed
8) going to or from hospital ... allowed

The main reason that could be allowed that isn’t because of the curfew is exercise. Well gyms and pools are closed. So it’s all those people who go jogging in the park after dark that are the ones most affected by the curfew.

It probably should be extended to at least 10pm though if it’s not gone by daylight savings time.

 

[Flying mermaid]

And in good news the Oxford trial has resumed

 

[RooFlyer]

Yes, there are the practicalities of the curfew, and then there's the principle. Before anyone scoffs, again, any problems with mandatory GPS phone tracking of everyone (with a phone)? Same objective and ends.

Next time, it will be so much easier for any government to impose a curfew, for another (arbitrary) reason. No medical or police request necessary.

You won't miss your liberties until you look behind you and realise they are gone, chipped away over time.

 

[serfty]

Was talking to some less emotional Melburnians and they don’t see the big deal with the curfew.

It's not so much the curfew being an issue - it's that there has been inconsistencies in the way the Victorian premier has described on who's advice the curfew idea was implemented.

 

[serfty]

I might be unreasonable, but I expected more out of AP to get their act together given it has been 6 months since the rush started.

Totally agree. The CEO is paid millions and has failed dismally, yet she and her senior executive team are still getting massive bonuses. If she was a fair dinkum CEO she would have understood the opportunities for ramping up the business quickly and getting a stronghold in the parcel home delivery business.

I disagree.

Australia Post was indeed ramping up but was thrown a wobbly by Victorian stage four restrictions and a severe curtailing in the number of staff who could work in Victorian mail distribution centres.

Why do you think most parcels sent in Victoria are being processed interstate?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

NSW Health
@NSWHealth
9 new cases of COVID-19 were diagnosed in the 24 hours to 8pm last night.

Of the nine new cases:
 4 are returned overseas travellers in hotel quarantine
 1 is locally acquired and under investigation
 4 are locally acquired and linked to a known case or cluster


11:04 AM · Sep 13, 2020

 

[33kft]

Next time, it will be so much easier for any government to impose a curfew, for another (arbitrary) reason. No medical or police request necessary.

They could have done that anyway, because they have and they did. Perhaps it's all this time cooped up that increases people's sensitivities but quite honestly blaming Melbournians for allowing this to happen is stupid, it happened already without a precedent and the only two options you have at this stage are compliance or a $1.6k fine. Which of those are you suggesting Melbournites should opt for right now, just 2 weeks away from potential easing of restrictions?

Of course if you feel strongly enough about civil liberties in the same country you also reside in you could certainly come and join us, and take on the mantle on our behalf, given we're all too compliant, in your opinion. At this point I'd happily take someone who puts their money where their mouth is, not so sure about opinions from the luxury of relative normalcy however... they are not really worth a lot at this point in time.

 

[jakeseven7]

All of my Melbourne family couldn’t care less about the curfew and polls, even the dipstick polls run by the Murdoch press in VIC indicate the same, so why is their state opposition shrilling on about it like it’s a Watergate moment? Bizarre.... They look like idiots and worse (for a politician) an overwhelming number of Victorians don’t even care.....

All most people Victorians seem to care about is smashing the curve and they are doing an amazing for everyone in Australia doing that for us. Thank you, we know it’s been a heavy toll .

 

[p--and--t]

I disagree.

Australia Post was indeed ramping up but was thrown a wobbly by Victorian stage four restrictions and a severe curtailing in the number of staff who could work in mail centres.

Why do you think most parcels sent in Victoria are being processed interstate?

No sweat. We will continue to disagree. No other operator has had the need to resort to that. They have found ways to operate and perform. AP has had since early Dec19 when they started experiencing record levels of parcels to act. it's now Sep20 and they are still a mess.

YMMV and we will continue to disagree. And thats ok.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Don't know about that case RooFlyer but it is not just Victorian police or a Covid lockdown that is the problem.
This is a report about a Canberra Rugby League player charged with assault by NSW's finest.

Cleared: NRL star Curtis Scott cleared of police assault

Rugby league star Curtis Scott has had police assault charges dropped after arrest footage played to a court showed him doing little more than “dreamily” raising his arms at officers while passed out.

www.news.com.au

So handcuffed while unconscious.Then pepper sprayed,tasered and punched after being handcuffed.

Aw come on. He’s a Rugby player. He’s used to it.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Given everyone's concern about hotel quarantine it is notable today that a health worker who works in Auckland’s quarantine facility has now tested positive. This is the second quarantine staff member in NZ who has been infected in recent times.

See more at New Zealand records Fresh cases of COVID19

No ADF there of course, but NZ Defence forces are and so it would seem that Defence Force management is not a guarantee that infections will not occur from time to time in quarantine facilities, just as they will also occur at say hospitals.

PS. Though proper management, and staff compliance in following rules and acting on symptoms, does allow those infections to be picked up and managed.

 

[33kft]

why is their state opposition shrilling on about it like it’s a Watergate moment?

Honestly, VIC has no state opposition. Most people couldn't pick O'Brien out of a line up if he was circled in red marker. If they did, they'd know him as that charisma-less void that shrieks at the end of news stories. I can only assume the Libs are desperately searching internally for someone who will raise their brand awareness in Victoria and the fact that this follows the period of the deeply unlikeable Matthew Guy's leadership - best known for dodgy development approvals and expensive lobster dinners with organised crime figures... let's just return to the summary: Victoria has no viable opposition.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Today's update Roadmap Triggers

 

[kyle]

I wonder what our chances are in Vic of getting rid of the mask requirement when the numbers approach that of other States/Territories since it's optional there.

 

[jase05]

No sweat. We will continue to disagree. No other operator has had the need to resort to that. They have found ways to operate and perform. AP has had since early Dec19 when they started experiencing record levels of parcels to act. it's now Sep20 and they are still a mess.

YMMV and we will continue to disagree. And thats ok.

Yes we will agree to disagree but it’s healthy debate. No other operator sees anywhere near the freight volume of the APG and peak is over by Feb so everything was running normal. AP had everything pretty much under control until the MEL restrictions kicked in.

 

[Hvr]

I wonder what our chances are in Vic of getting rid of the mask requirement when the numbers approach that of other States/Territories since it's optional there.

I hope that mask requirements remain until at least next year.

 

[kyle]

I hope that mask requirements remain until at least next year.

If other States can manage it, I'm sure Vic can also. The lack of eye candy when out and about is killing me mentally and I'm serious.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I hope that mask requirements remain until at least next year.

I see little reason to get rid of them quickly (Whether that is next year, or say a measure like an extended period of zero cases, or at least unknown local transmission) as they are:
1/ Not that intrusive to wear
2/ Allow for most things to be done - and they will allow for eating, running etc
3/ Provide an extra transmission brake that allow many other activities to be resumed

 

[RooFlyer]

They could have done that anyway, because they have and they did. Perhaps it's all this time cooped up that increases people's sensitivities but quite honestly blaming Melbournians for allowing this to happen is stupid, it happened already without a precedent and the only two options you have at this stage are compliance or a $1.6k fine. Which of those are you suggesting Melbournites should opt for right now, just 2 weeks away from potential easing of restrictions?

Of course if you feel strongly enough about civil liberties in the same country you also reside in you could certainly come and join us, and take on the mantle on our behalf, given we're all too compliant, in your opinion. At this point I'd happily take someone who puts their money where their mouth is, not so sure about opinions from the luxury of relative normalcy however... they are not really worth a lot at this point in time.

"Blaming Melburnians" ? Where on earth does that come from? Not me. They didn't 'allow it to happen' - the government applied it unilaterally, without health or police advice/request for it. That's my point, not the curfew per se. The arbitrary nature of its imposition.

Nor did I mention anything about not being compliant. So just about none of your reply addressed what I was saying.

But people should be questioning and objecting to the arbitrary imposition of a curfew without medical, police or, as far as we know, any other agency request or advice. Its a political/bureaucracy curfew, and if that doesn't worry people, then that in itself is a worry. Maybe because I'm not in the thick of it over there I can stand back and look at a bigger picture. I know in Australia talking darkly about political malevolence and loss of liberties sounds silly and conspiratorial, but think about it. Next time, a Liberal government (as unlikely as that may seem ) might unilaterally impose a daytime curfew because it conceived a danger to public safety in the face of, say BLM or Union marches. "We are simply doing the same thing as the Andrews Government did, "To assist Police" and which was welcomed by most Victorians."

Don't worry, I'm also objecting the the ridiculous 'State of Emergency' that persists here in Tasmania under a Liberal Government, in the face of no cases for ages and no community transmission for about 4 months.