Australian women on Qatar flight internally examined

[Lynda2475]

The mother (and father) were both identified, and was facing charges of attempted murder.

Via the assault method inflicyed on innocent transit passengers or via more practical CCTV footage and other methods later?

ETA - Google says they identified mother after she had excaped so clearly done without need for a physical assaulting her, highlighting again how unnecessary actions taken against the passengers were.

Lawyers for the Aussie victims state 'the Qatari government and Qatar Airways have failed to respond to entreaties from the Australian women to “provide a meaningful apology for the hurt and distress caused” as well as “provide assurances to both the complainants and the international community that this kind of conduct will never happen again”.

 

[Quickstatus]

The mother (and father) were both identified

Yes was reported in the media around end of 2020.
But nothing has come of it

 

[oz_mark]

Yes was reported in the media around end of 2020.
But nothing has come of it

Same as the people that were charged with instigating it all. No idea what the outcome was, but no one here seems interested.

 

[Lynda2475]

FYI the law suit is against: Government-owned Qatar Civil Aviation Authority (QCAA), Qatar Airways AND THE Qatar Company for Airports Operation and Management (MATAR).

FYI MATAR is a corporate subsidiary of Qatar Airways and has been contracted out by the QCAA to manage the Doha airport. The nurse and armed personnel who conducted the strip searches were employees of MATAR - so those saying no QR responsibility are incorrect since their staff inappropriately and illegally assaulted women from multiple flights.

Appalling and yet so many here desperate to fly with this company and the people they employee with zero respect for women, zero comprehension of consent.

 

[Quickstatus]

were charged with instigating it all

Yes - as in they acted unilaterally. Nevertheless, it has became an international incident.

 

[Lynda2475]

So why was the media interested in the women’s welfare just before the decision was made? It’s been months with radio silence. So why now?

This is a completely unfounded claim. Many people were and continue to be concerned with the women's well being. The legal proceedings take time,with lags between hearings more so when there is lack of cooperation from the Qatari's.

 

[Lynda2475]

Same as the people that were charged with instigating it all. No idea what the outcome was, but no one here seems interested.

Fact that there is a lawsuit disputes this. Those women as seeking justice, as there was no genuine consequence for the QR employees who assaulted the passengers,as their government owners simply don't care enough to genuinely punish offenders nor guarantee this will not happen again.

Unacceptable.

 

[drron]

This is a completely unfounded claim. Many people were and continue to be concerned with the women's well being. The legal proceedings take time,with lags between hearings more so when there is lack of cooperation from the Qatari's.

So just when did the Media show interest in the case in the 12 months before July. I haven't heard or read any in the major media outlets. from my point of view @Pushka's musings are quite correct.
My suspicion is the lawyer's letter to the Transport minister accidentally found it's way to the media. personally i think that would be a smart tactic.

 

[Lynda2475]

So just when did the Media show interest in the case in the 12 months before July.

You must not have been looking very hard updates provided by:
* AFR in February
* 9 News in April
* SBS , News and The Guardian all had updates in May this year

And a lot of other updates in October and November 2022 from BBC, CNN, New York Times, SMH, 7 News and ABC

 

[RooFlyer]

Appalling and yet so many here desperate to fly with this company and the people they employee with zero respect for women, zero comprehension of consent.

I'd ask you to reflect on that, and on the many people here - self-identified as male and female - who do fly Qatar. Showing some respect, that you claim lacks in others, would be nice.

I reckon your posting in total absolutes about others and many situations and circumstances here is really a bit unconvincing. But I guess we'll see the usual "" response?

 

[MooTime]

You must not have been looking very hard updates provided by:
* AFR in February
* 9 News in April
* SBS , News and The Guardian all had updates in May this year

And a lot of other updates in October and November 2022 from BBC, CNN, New York Times, SMH, 7 News and ABC

I think you just looked up that now.

 

[justinbrett]

I'd ask you to reflect on that, and on the many people here - self-identified as male and female - who do fly Qatar. Showing some respect, that you claim lacks in others, would be nice.

If only that same respect could be afforded to those who choose to fly QF

 

[RooFlyer]

If only that same respect could be afforded to those who choose to fly QF

Absolutely! I have about a dozen flights booked with them ... We 'RooFlyers' have to stick together, eh?

 

[justinbrett]

I think you just looked up that now.

I don’t think it was a memory quiz.

The question was whether the media covered it before July. Answer has been given.

The court action has been bubbling along for a long time and media often scan court notices to get stories. It's not unusual.

 

[Lynda2475]

QRs actions in commiying the abhorrent assaults and subsequent attempts to have legal action squashed to avoid justice have clearly demonstrated their disdain for a women, therefore will never have my respect nor get any of my tourist dollars..

@RooFlyer this event is obviously not a consideration for you when choosing who to buy a plane ticket from and travel with, and whilst you are free to use QR I will never respect that choice . And I'm positive the victims would also be deeply saddened and disappointed by those who choose to support QR.

And I'm also sure the QR fan boys/girls couldn't care less that I don't respect their decision to patronise QR. But if my position does given them pause to reconsider that can only be a good thing imo.

 

[Lynda2475]

Well given I already previously stated I disagreed with Pushkas assertion that the media had lost iall nterest based on recollection, I subsequently looked up and provided actual links to proof to put this to bed.

 

[Pushka]

You must not have been looking very hard updates provided by:
* AFR in February
* 9 News in April
* SBS , News and The Guardian all had updates in May this year

And a lot of other updates in October and November 2022 from BBC, CNN, New York Times, SMH, 7 News and ABC

OK, fair enough but for me, none of those are on my news feed list. And the ones that I do tune in to are almost 12 months old. And two not on there at all. So I've not read anything about it in months, except on AFF.

If the Government is using punitive measures to impact Qatar until this disgusting situation is more properly addressed, then a reasonable person might think all Qatar flights should be banned. Which I'm thinking you would be in full agreement with, but have to ask where is the consistency within Government decision making.

So you'd fly Emirates then I'm thinking.

 

[Pushka]

FYI the law suit is against: Government-owned Qatar Civil Aviation Authority (QCAA), Qatar Airways AND THE Qatar Company for Airports Operation and Management (MATAR).

FYI MATAR is a corporate subsidiary of Qatar Airways and has been contracted out by the QCAA to manage the Doha airport. The nurse and armed personnel who conducted the strip searches were employees of MATAR - so those saying no QR responsibility are incorrect since their staff inappropriately and illegally assaulted women from multiple flights.

Appalling and yet so many here desperate to fly with this company and the people they employee with zero respect for women, zero comprehension of consent.

I'm not desperate to fly Qatar, but when Qantas I left SA a lame duck I'm very limited in direct flights to elsewhere. And don't give me the transit in Eastern states, which adds a minimum of five hours to an already long trip. Next Flights are on Emirates, unfortunately not direct we need to get to Dubai. The ones this year were Malaysian Air.

So you'd fly Emirates then? Because they had nothing to do with this.

 

[drron]

You must not have been looking very hard updates provided by:
* AFR in February
* 9 News in April
* SBS , News and The Guardian all had updates in May this year

And a lot of other updates in October and November 2022 from BBC, CNN, New York Times, SMH, 7 News and ABC

Yes and the reports were of the Qataris claiming sovereign immunity. The rest were reports of the court case being expanded to 3 Qatari organisations. As to the general public those probably went over their head.
On the AFF thread on the incident basically ended in November 2021. One post in feb this year linking the AFR article. then nothing until this decision. I stand by my feeling that @Pushka is justified in her statement.

Nice of you to do a google search though.

 

[Quickstatus]

So back to the where the case now stands
I can't see how QR cabin crew or even the airline can be implicated. They likely didn't know what was happening. I really don't think we can point the finger at any cabin crew, duty manager/supervisor

QCAA (Matar) can't see how they would be involved as it clearly became a security/police matter.

Qatar the sovereign?. Well that's where the pressure is. Qatar has actually apologised generally at the government level but for the legal action is asserting sovereign immunity.

Who wins - who knows... I don't know what the 5 women the plaintiffs will accept as a settlement. Or maybe they don't want a settlement?