China travel bans from Late 2022

[tomlee1986]

I wouldn’t think so. This is just the west sticking the boot in the Chinese. There’s been virtually zero movement in and out of China for the better part of three years. Adding testing requirements isn’t going to make a material difference (other than delaying the resumption of travel ex China).

We can continue with the status-quo, however now we’re telling China we are setting the rules and trying to throw some weight around.

It’s about a virus, yeah? Or nah.

As i said... the chinese made vaccines are proven to be less effective than the western ones like Pfizer, Moderna and even AZ

 

[Mr H]

As i said... the chinese made vaccines are proven to be less effective than the western ones like Pfizer, Moderna and even AZ

So what?

 

[N860CR]

As i said... the chinese made vaccines are proven to be less effective than the western ones like Pfizer, Moderna and even AZ

And? They also make electric cars that are less effective than the Koreans. But what’s that got to do with the price of char siu?

 

[tomlee1986]

And? They also make electric cars that are less effective than the Koreans. But what’s that got to do with the price of char siu?

food is one thing - if bad taste, we can choose another company, but these are vaccines that will save lives in a pandemic... which make things even more serious than char siu... In this case, the world may suffer because these chinese people wont have good vaccine to protect them from covid strains... nice analogy too

 

[Pushka]

that is 100% true!

Travellers from China required to undertake covid-19 testing before travel

The Australian Government will introduce pre-departure testing for COVID-19 for people travelling to Australia from the People’s Republic of China.

www.health.gov.au

Fuzzy on detail though.

 

[Mr H]

food is one thing - if bad taste, we can choose another company, but these are vaccines that will save lives in a pandemic... which make things even more serious than char siu... nice analogy too

But Australia doesn’t even require visitors to be vaccinated, so how is the effectiveness of foreign made vaccines relevant?

 

[tomlee1986]

Fuzzy on detail though.

I know but thats all we got at the moment...

 

[drron]

If a country has ineffective vaccination there is less reason for the virus to mutate . Because the vaccines we used were effective the virus mutated and became more and more effective at being able to resist the antibodies produced by vaccination. This enables the virus to continue to have targets for infection and hence virus survival.

 

[kyle]

While I'm never supportive of what China has or hasn't done in terms of covid, at this end of the pandemic or whatever now you call it, I'm not sure if the pre departure or post arrival tests will achieve much if a sizeable proportion of the world's population is infected already and probably with minimal or nil symptoms. I certainly have no appetite going back to any of the covid restrictions.

 

[kpc]

I see it includes Macau and Hong Kong now....How about transitting through Hkg....do we now need to get a RAT / PCR before flying onto Australia?

COVID test to be required for travellers from China

Travellers from mainland China will soon need to take a COVID-19 test and get a negative result before flying to Australia.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Pushka]

I see it includes Macau and Hong Kong now....How about transitting through Hkg....do we now need to get a RAT / PCR before flying onto Australia?

COVID test to be required for travellers from China

Travellers from mainland China will soon need to take a COVID-19 test and get a negative result before flying to Australia.

www.smh.com.au

That thought was something that prevented me from transiting through HK when CX released award seats.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

i guess we’ll have to wait for clarity, but it to me it sounds like if you are in transit in hong kong you’re not going to be ‘coming from china’? Your flight might be, but you are not.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I think some are reading too much into the covid testing requirements ex China.

While other countries provide us with genomic sequencing data, we’re not getting the same from China. So we don’t have a grasp on the rapidly moving outbreak.

We have not banned travel from those countries, just asking those who test positive to come a week or so later once they are over their infection.

 

[Mr H]

I think some are reading too much into the covid testing requirements ex China.

While other countries provide us with genomic sequencing data, we’re not getting the same from China. So we don’t have a grasp on the rapidly moving outbreak.

We have not banned travel from those countries, just asking those who test positive to come a week or so later once they are over their infection.

it is not always easy or affordable to just come a week or so later, and it’s not a requirement we are making of any other place in the world. Even our own medical officers said this is pointless.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

it is not always easy or affordable to just come a week or so later, and it’s not a requirement we are making of any other place in the world. Even our own medical officers said this is pointless.

If you are testing positive you shouldn’t be travelling.

My understanding is that the requirement to have a negative covid test prior to boarding a cruise ship in Australia is a government requirement. Or at least that was my finding before my cruise a couple weeks ago.

So I don’t think it’s correct to say that the australian government isn’t making these requirements of any other place… we have them at home!

 

[Mr H]

My understanding is that the requirement to have a negative covid test prior to boarding a cruise ship in Australia is a government requirement. Or at least that was my finding before my cruise a couple weeks ago.

I don't believe there is such a government requirement, although happy to be shown a link...

 

[dairyfloss]

The government provides only advice, not requirements. Anything you are asked to do otherwise would be at the request of the cruise operator: Cruise travel

 

[Pushka]

If you are testing positive you shouldn’t be travelling.

My understanding is that the requirement to have a negative covid test prior to boarding a cruise ship in Australia is a government requirement. Or at least that was my finding before my cruise a couple weeks ago.

So I don’t think it’s correct to say that the australian government isn’t making these requirements of any other place… we have them at home!

This is true. Cruise passengers are required to do a Covid test before boarding in Australia and may also be required to have random tests throughout their cruise.

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The government provides only advice, not requirements. Anything you are asked to do otherwise would be at the request of the cruise operator: Cruise travel

It is required by several state Governments of all persuasions.

An example.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2022-07/18_July_Eastern_Seaboard_Cruise_Protocols.pdf

6 Testing Protocols
6.1 Passengers who are symptomatic at the time of boarding must have a negative rapid-PCR test before they are able to board the ship (as per 3.2).
6.2 Passengers must have a PCR test within 48 hours before boarding, or a self-administered RAT within 24 hours before boarding. Cruise lines will advise passengers embarking in Australia that pre-embarkation PCR testing must be done at a private laboratory.
6.3 Cruise lines should provide advice to passengers recommending that after disembarkation all cruise passengers should monitor closely for COVID-19 symptoms, and if these develop at any time, get tested for COVID-19 and isolate until they receive a negative result.
6.4 Passengers are to follow the reporting requirements of local health authorities for self-administered RATs. Cruise lines should have robust systems in place to capture positive COVID-19 results of passengers and crew while onboard the vessel.
6.5 Cruise lines must test all crew every 14 days, or when symptomatic. This should be achieved by testing at least 50% of crew in each department, every 7 days.
6.6 Passengers who have symptoms of COVID-19 must be tested, including ahead of shore excursions, and are encouraged to wear masks while symptomatic.
6.7 Cruise lines should take reasonable steps to ensure that passengers and crew comply with testing protocols.7

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yeah… I also checked the requirements before my cruise because I thought it was my cruise line being overly cautious, or imposing unfair restrictions. But it turns out it was mandated.

 

[Mr H]

Cruise passengers are required to do a Covid test before boarding in Australia and may also be required to have random tests throughout their cruise.

It is required by several state Governments of all persuasions.

I haven't seen anything saying this is regulation - simply guidance. In any case, it is really trying to solve a different problem - which is lots of people sharing a confined space for a long period of time. I am not quite sure what problem the testing of pax from China is supposed to solve. A few Chinese people importing Omicron into a land that is already awash with Omicron?

Yeah… I also checked the requirements before my cruise because I thought it was my cruise line being overly cautious, or imposing unfair restrictions. But it turns out it was mandated.

Just as a little aside - and not relevant to the actual discussion point - I couldn't help noticing that your reaction was that a requirement to provide a negative test was unfair when applied to you but you're sanguine when it is applied to Chinese people.