China travel bans from Late 2022

I think I understand where you come from as to why no pre-departure tests in these countries, but they aren't required not because of double standards, but it is because these countries have vaccines that are proven to work compared to the Chinese made ones - and that's why the Chinese people are coming to HK and Macau to get the Pfizer vaccine as well


The UK and Australia, at least, do/did not even require vaccination to enter. The vaccine has changed the burden of managing risk from the state to the individual. So if you want to minimise your risk, get vaccinated - you can no longer expect the state to regulate others' behaviour in order to protect you.

So yes, the world is treating China differently and it is obviously for political reasons, since the science does not support new restrictions.
 
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It’s behind a paywall… the sequencing sent in is from laboratories in China or the USA?

How strange - I can see the article without a subscription. Here is the text - and I do think it is important to cite sources rather than repeating hearsay and rumour...

China Has No New Covid Variants as Sequencing Efforts Strengthen

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30 December 2022 at 8:19 pm AEDT
No novel Covid-19 variants have emerged in China, according to a global consortium that’s tracking coronavirus mutations, potentially easing concerns that the country’s record wave of infections would give rise to new strains that could circulate around the world.
National, provincial and private health-care authorities in the country have provided nearly 1,000 genetic sequences from infected patients to GISAID in the past five days, said Chief Executive Officer Peter Bogner. So far, all the samples continue to be omicron, though subvariants that have hit other parts of the world – including XBB.1 and BQ.1.1 – have emerged, he said.
“The variants continue to circulate without any significant changes that raise any specter of concern,” Bogner said. “You do not have any kind of data that suggest anything but business as usual.”
China is also ramping up efforts to track mutations, with the recent upload of sequencing data comparing with just 25 samples submitted in the previous month, he said. The data are important for helping with future needs as statistics on cases and deaths provide backward-looking information, he said.
“There is huge self-interest,” he said. “That’s the one you can act on. It’s actionable information. You can adjust your diagnostic kits, your vaccines. There’s not actionable information in how many people died. It’s the rear-view mirror. Genomic information provides actionable insights.”
China’s move in early December to exit Covid Zero sparked a surge of infections, but the extent of the outbreak has been difficult to gauge after officials abandoned publishing an accurate case count and narrowed their definition of a virus death.
The information vacuum and the country’s plan to reopen its borders early next month have prompted a slew of nations to tighten measures for travelers from China on concerns the wave may spawn new variants or seed outbreaks. The US will require all airline passengers coming from China to show a negative test result, while Japan will test travelers upon arrival and India will require a PCR test.
Italy, which has introduced mandatory rapid tests for passengers coming from China, has said they haven’t found any concerning Covid mutations in recent arrivals.
GISAID’s Bogner said that countries around the world have pulled back on their pandemic work just as infection rates rise in many areas. Sequencing is an important part of the Covid effort, and it’s not inevitable that the next variant will come from China, he said.
“Surveillance is breaking down around the world,” he said. “To say we should worry about a variant emerging in mainland China – there is a whole planet to worry about. These things emerge where they want to emerge.”
 
Though you have to have a little chuckle at the hypocrisy in the USA where the media called it xenophobia in early 2020 but now says that it is the science that makes checks on the Chinese essential.
 
I'm sympathetic to both drron's and Mr H's views. Vaccination or no vaccination there is still a lot of Covid around in many countries.
 
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Calling for clarity is not quite the same as recommending travel restrictions, is it?
WHO expressed understanding of why countries were implementing Restrictions the other day.
 
WHO expressed understanding of why countries were implementing Restrictions the other day.

Of course - we all understand why it is happening. WHO did not recommend it or support it. Keep trying.
 
How strange - I can see the article without a subscription. Here is the text - and I do think it is important to cite sources rather than repeating hearsay and rumour...

China Has No New Covid Variants as Sequencing Efforts Strengthen

By
30 December 2022 at 8:19 pm AEDT
No novel Covid-19 variants have emerged in China, according to a global consortium that’s tracking coronavirus mutations, potentially easing concerns that the country’s record wave of infections would give rise to new strains that could circulate around the world.
National, provincial and private health-care authorities in the country have provided nearly 1,000 genetic sequences from infected patients to GISAID in the past five days, said Chief Executive Officer Peter Bogner. So far, all the samples continue to be omicron, though subvariants that have hit other parts of the world – including XBB.1 and BQ.1.1 – have emerged, he said.
“The variants continue to circulate without any significant changes that raise any specter of concern,” Bogner said. “You do not have any kind of data that suggest anything but business as usual.”
China is also ramping up efforts to track mutations, with the recent upload of sequencing data comparing with just 25 samples submitted in the previous month, he said. The data are important for helping with future needs as statistics on cases and deaths provide backward-looking information, he said.
“There is huge self-interest,” he said. “That’s the one you can act on. It’s actionable information. You can adjust your diagnostic kits, your vaccines. There’s not actionable information in how many people died. It’s the rear-view mirror. Genomic information provides actionable insights.”
China’s move in early December to exit Covid Zero sparked a surge of infections, but the extent of the outbreak has been difficult to gauge after officials abandoned publishing an accurate case count and narrowed their definition of a virus death.
The information vacuum and the country’s plan to reopen its borders early next month have prompted a slew of nations to tighten measures for travelers from China on concerns the wave may spawn new variants or seed outbreaks. The US will require all airline passengers coming from China to show a negative test result, while Japan will test travelers upon arrival and India will require a PCR test.
Italy, which has introduced mandatory rapid tests for passengers coming from China, has said they haven’t found any concerning Covid mutations in recent arrivals.
GISAID’s Bogner said that countries around the world have pulled back on their pandemic work just as infection rates rise in many areas. Sequencing is an important part of the Covid effort, and it’s not inevitable that the next variant will come from China, he said.
“Surveillance is breaking down around the world,” he said. “To say we should worry about a variant emerging in mainland China – there is a whole planet to worry about. These things emerge where they want to emerge.”
Lol. 'in country'. The same 'in country' authorities reporting just 5000 cases a day?
 
Here's an interesting article from the UK Telegraph, via today's SMH.

Suggests to me that next year will be "interesting" from a commercial aviation point of view, and may not lead to airfares falling significantly anytime soon.

Add to that the additional testing regimes being set up around the world (with the notable exception of Oz - for obvious political reasons) and you'd have to be pretty optimistic to expect cheaper fares in that environment.

But who knows? We shall see...

(I've got 6 OS trips booked for 2023 so far - will be interesting to see if they all happen).

In general I think the UK Telegraph is trash and run by mostly racist and xenophobic management, however, I do agree that next year may be 'interesting' from an aviation standpoint.

Unfortunately, a good 4 - 6 months after we all thought we saw the "last of covid", it seems like testing regimes may be slowly coming back, which will really suck if they get to anywhere near levels we saw in April/May this year or before.

If testing returns to anywhere near early 2022 levels, or God forbid quarantine comes back, demand will drop off. At the same time, airlines have already ramped up significantly and they may not cut back as quickly as they did before - who knows. If all that materialises, I wonder how airfares will stack up.

In any case, 2023 will definitely be an interesting year.
 
Though you have to have a little chuckle at the hypocrisy in the USA where the media called it xenophobia in early 2020 but now says that it is the science that makes checks on the Chinese essential.
I think it highlights the way the different governments are treated by the media.
 
Their passengers are from countries all over the world and have very different requirements for visas etc. Why would they even touch it!
Because they care for their passengers!
Obviously old Customer Care does not count for much to some (good luck in life); it does to me and Finnair is not showing a bit of it.:(
 
Because they care for their passengers!
Obviously old Customer Care does not count for much to some (good luck in life); it does to me and Finnair is not showing a bit of it.:(

People need to take responsibility for their own legal matters with regards to visas. This has not changed. And customer care has nothing to do with it. That has always been the case.
 
those in HKG needs to be tested as well... because HKG WILL open up the chinese border on Jan 8... then HKG will be a virus mixing pot!
The whole world is a virus mixing pot. Are you really suggesting that a new variant is more likely to come from China than anywhere else?
 
In general I think the UK Telegraph is trash and run by mostly racist and xenophobic management, however, I do agree that next year may be 'interesting' from an aviation standpoint.

Unfortunately, a good 4 - 6 months after we all thought we saw the "last of covid", it seems like testing regimes may be slowly coming back, which will really suck if they get to anywhere near levels we saw in April/May this year or before.

If testing returns to anywhere near early 2022 levels, or God forbid quarantine comes back, demand will drop off. At the same time, airlines have already ramped up significantly and they may not cut back as quickly as they did before - who knows. If all that materialises, I wonder how airfares will stack up.

In any case, 2023 will definitely be an interesting year.

I wouldn’t think so. This is just the west sticking the boot in the Chinese. There’s been virtually zero movement in and out of China for the better part of three years. Adding testing requirements isn’t going to make a material difference (other than delaying the resumption of travel ex China).

We can continue with the status-quo, however now we’re telling China we are setting the rules and trying to throw some weight around.

It’s about a virus, yeah? Or nah.
 
Just saw on ABC news that Australia will now require negative predeparture test for pax from China??
 

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