[Conjecture]Qantas to move European base to Berlin (BER)?

[marki]

This old chestnut not happening anytime soon anybody thinks differently ( apart from S. Jobs)

 

[marki]

Any chance ?

 

[moa999]

BER is still not open.
Personally don't see it

 

[Mattg]

Any chance ?

I'd say it's still an outside chance, but only once QF have a full fleet of 787s, and BER actually opens!

It's no secret that Emirates would like to codeshare on a QF flight from DXB to somewhere in Germany (e.g. Berlin) to get around their current slot restraints.

 

[marki]

I'd say it's still an outside chance, but only once QF have a full fleet of 787s, and BER actually opens!

It's no secret that Emirates would like to codeshare on a QF flight from DXB to somewhere in Germany (e.g. Berlin) to get around their current slot restraints.

Interesting ! At the moment an A 380 cannot land at Tegal

 

[Isochronous]

The construction of BER is the biggest farce in the construction world.

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

The construction of BER is the biggest farce in the construction world.

It's nice to know it's not just an aussie thing

still it likely means badgeries creek will be opened to either electric flight or scram jet travel

 

[moa999]

Still not clear that BER will even open in October 2017
Berlin′s new airport potentially hit by yet another delay | Germany | DW.COM | 10.03.2016

 

[Mattg]

Still not clear that BER will even open in October 2017
Berlin′s new airport potentially hit by yet another delay | Germany | DW.COM | 10.03.2016

Latest I've heard is that it will open no earlier than 24 March 2018, but apparently an opening date of 5 February 2019 is "most likely".

 

[moa999]

Latest I've heard is that it will open no earlier than 24 March 2018, but apparently an opening date of 5 February 2019 is "most likely".

7.5yrs late...
I wonder how much equipment in there is now out of date and will have been replaced never used.

 

[marki]

Still not clear that BER will even open in October 2017
Berlin′s new airport potentially hit by yet another delay | Germany | DW.COM | 10.03.2016

Interesting but desperate read :erm: :

 

[medhead]

The most interesting part of that story is that Hitler's flagship Templehof has been turned into refugee housing. Somewhat ironic considering how he might have felt.

Looks like a plan and approval process that's outta control. I wonder if they're constantly moving the goal posts. I was once a 3rd party in a process that involved one of the main players constantly changing their approval guidelines, it was outta control. The poor proponent would take a week to submit their approval documents only to be told the guideline had been updated. The government department issued upto 2 or 3 new versions in some weeks. Anyway, the guy running the process went slowly mad.

 

[dajop]

Sounds like MNL T3 ... although you'd expect better from Germany.

 

[whatmeworry]

With the Brexit their may be an opportunity QF to go back to Germany whether it be FRA or BER.

 

[anat0l]

With the Brexit their may be an opportunity QF to go back to Germany whether it be FRA or BER.

How do you figure?

 

[medhead]

How do you figure?

There may be rule differences that make EU more attractive an entry point. It might be better for pax that only want to enter EU if UK withdraw from the Schengen treaty. On the flip side Qantas might want to avoid EU261, or whatever the proper number.

 

[JessicaTam]

The UK could decide to stay with the Schengen treaty.

 

[dajop]

What are you all talking about? UK is not part of the Schengen Agreement countries with a single border. If you fly from Berlin or Madrid or Zurich to London everyone still has to go through immigration on entry into London. EU members do currently get a priority lane. Maybe now they'll switch that to Commonwealth members hahaha.....

 

[JessicaTam]

What are you all talking about? UK is not part of the Schengen Agreement countries with a single border. If you fly from Berlin or Madrid or Zurich to London everyone still has to go through immigration on entry into London. EU members do currently get a priority lane. Maybe now they'll switch that to Commonwealth members hahaha.....

Good point, although having a land border is not a requirement for being a member. E.g. Iceland or Greece do not have a border with other members.

 

[anat0l]

There may be rule differences that make EU more attractive an entry point. It might be better for pax that only want to enter EU if UK withdraw from the Schengen treaty. On the flip side Qantas might want to avoid EU261, or whatever the proper number.

I'm really unsure what this Brexit will change about the assessment around whether to move from LHR to BER. Avoiding EU261 by maintaining LHR sounds like a somewhat superficial but otherwise interesting reason to maintain the status quo. I'm not sure if there are other major EU agreements which can largely affect the choice of base.

What are you all talking about? UK is not part of the Schengen Agreement countries with a single border. If you fly from Berlin or Madrid or Zurich to London everyone still has to go through immigration on entry into London. EU members do currently get a priority lane. Maybe now they'll switch that to Commonwealth members hahaha.....

Correct - UK is not a Schengen member. I think they have some sort of agreement within the EU, however, which allows you to travel within the EU, including the UK, without a passport, i.e. you can use a national ID card instead. I don't know what this is exactly, however. I might imagine there are also slightly different strengths of border checks or procedures for EU residents versus residents of third nations; again, this is conjecture and I'm unsure.

Strictly speaking, UK leaving the EU would no longer allow free customs for travel between the rest of the EU and the UK. This means that the lanes marked "Arrivals from the European Union" at customs would be eliminated, and all travellers from the EU would be subject to customs checks and duties in the same manner as all third nation arrivals. What that means on a more operational sense is less clear; to assert "not much would change" is not unreasonable.

Notwithstanding that Brexit does not have immediate effect, I'm not sure if connections on BA to LHR and onto QF services (and vv.) would be inadvertently affected, which may or may not influence QF to make changes to its European network.