Does WP guest for Qantas F lounge need to be on same flight?

[Kangol]

First Nutcase, then durbrain - anyone notice a pattern on AFF?

I can't believe this is still being argued... as in there has been a demonstrated repetition of cognitive failure despite multiple corrections.

The key word here is alliance. ie. oneworld alliance.

For those who are unsure, look up the meaning of the word. In particular check if it is possible to be in an alliance with oneself.

 

[defurax]

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[TheRealTMA]

Has anyone alerted Red Roo to this thread? Clarification would be nice.

P.S. If you are Qantas Platinum accessing the Qantas lounge you are not a Oneworld Emerald. You are Qantas Platinum.

Why would RedRoo get involved in a thread which is based on a complete inability to read and understand the clear and simple rules for lounge access for QF code shares and actual QF metal flights and difference between OW and QF lounges?

 

[durbrain]

First Nutcase, then durbrain - anyone notice a pattern on AFF?

I can't believe this is still being argued... as in there has been a demonstrated repetition of cognitive failure despite multiple corrections.

The key word here is alliance. ie. oneworld alliance.

For those who are unsure, look up the meaning of the word. In particular check if it is possible to be in an alliance with oneself.

Please read the Oneworld alliance rules. The key word is any. The cognitive failure is one of literacy. You were the one who asked me to check with the QF staff. Which I did. They returned an answer. What else would you like?

 

[durbrain]

Why would RedRoo get involved in a thread which is based on a complete inability to read and understand the clear and simple rules for lounge access for QF code shares and actual QF metal flights and difference between OW and QF lounges?

It's clearly not 'clear and simple' because either you are wrong or the FF team member that called me is wrong. Since you are obviously confident that your interpretation is correct, how can something so 'clear and simple' be misunderstood by QF's own staff? (Who took 2 weeks to get back to me).

 

[TheRealTMA]

It's clearly not 'clear and simple' because either you are wrong or the FF team member that called me is wrong. Since you are obviously confident that your interpretation is correct, how can something so 'clear and simple' be misunderstood by QF's own staff? (Who took 2 weeks to get back to me).

Perhaps test you view and report back the results? I have a number of times.

Sorry but it is clear and simple. The airline on which you are flying and who's lounge you use determines the rules according tonight their own FF program, irrespective of what you believe is OW status. Notwithstanding what you may or may not be told over the phone by one agent.

But please continue to post. It raises your post count and provides entertainment for many.

 

[JohnK]

Why would RedRoo get involved in a thread which is based on a complete inability to read and understand the clear and simple rules for lounge access for QF code shares and actual QF metal flights and difference between OW and QF lounges?

Simple clarification?

 

[TheRealTMA]

Simple clarification?

Read the rules.

 

[durbrain]

Simple clarification?

I have messaged him/her.

 

[durbrain]

Read the rules.

I've read them. No term or clause or condition stating that OW status is invalid when travelling on home airline. An assumption that most believe in, but is not explicitly stated anywhere.

 

[hossein_au]

Wow, just wow... this line of argument has degraded to a level that can only be described as nuisance. Unsubscribed!

 

[JohnK]

Read the rules.

I know the rules and how Qantas applies them for lounge access.

 

[TheRealTMA]

I know the rules and how Qantas applies them for lounge access.

So why are you still posting to extend this thread?

Think I'll unsubscribe now. It's pointless if you can't read the defined rules and understand the difference between a OW flight and a QF flight.

 

[durbrain]

It's pointless if you can't read the defined rules and understand the difference between a OW flight and a QF flight.

It's also pointless if you not only can't read but can't understand that a flight and a passenger status can be both QF and OW.

 

[JohnK]

So why are you still posting to extend this thread?

Think I'll unsubscribe now. It's pointless if you can't read the defined rules and understand the difference between a OW flight and a QF flight.

To ensure the end result is the right one. Qantas Platinum is not Oneworld Emerald when trying to enter a Qantas lounge.

 

[RichardMEL]

yeah wow all these posts...

my 2 cents

I tend to think of it as the "home" carrier's rules applies above alliance ones. So QF can determine what happens to their pax but needs to follow alliance rules for their OW and partner pax (eg: an OWS or OWE can also access your QF lounge per those rules, or I think an AAdmirals Club member can under a separate reciprocal agreement). I do agree that a QF status pax is treated differently at QF lounges for access requirements but it kind of makes sense to me.

I mean remember lounge use is charged for and I think this has a great bearing on it. If I am flying EK in F or J but on a QF codeshare, it is still EK who gets charged, now I would imagine the partner operating carrier would WANT to stipulate that if I'm going to bring a guest in and they get charged for it, it should be a guest they are getting revenue for (ie: flying on that flight). Same with NF, FJ, SB etc.

Under the OW agreement, which is totally separate to other partners, QF has an obligation to the partner airlines customers (by status or CoS) to sup0ply access, but they would also charge that back to that carrier (eg: CX, BA etc). I'm not quite sure how that works revenue and charging wise, but I suspect it is a requirement of membership to wear those charges, and in theory it probably all comes out in the wash over time, or they may even have intra-alliance set rates and the like to cover it.

This is why, a oneworld emerald (say AA elite) flying on EK couldn't get in under their status (non oneworld operated flight) but could under the CoS if they flew J or F. It is also why AA can deny their elites access to their domestic clubs but allow other OWS/OWE in - in essence AA is doing exactly what QF is doing with their own pax in my view.

I had this applied back in December when I met someone at random at security at MEL flying CX. I was on EK (QF code). tried to guest into F lounge but knocked back as they weren't on the EK flight. It's what I half expected but didn't hurt to ask.

it may seem very confusing and contradictory to many but when I think of it from the "other side" and remember to separate that a passenger seeking lounge entry is coming in in a number of ways - as a QF customer with their own access rights, a partner carrier's passenger, an oneworld status customer, a oneworld premium (ie: CoS) customer) etc thus each have separate definitions for how they need to be handled.

 

[durbrain]

Qantas Platinum is not Oneworld Emerald when trying to enter a Qantas lounge.

I can find nothing on either the Qantas or OW site that supports this statement.

 

[defurax]

I can find nothing on either the Qantas or OW site that supports this statement.

The following statement on QF website suggests that the oneworld status equivalent of your QF status is recognised by QF Oneworld partners and not by QF itself.
[h=3]Your tier benefits are global with oneworld®[/h]One of the outstanding aspects of the Qantas Frequent Flyer program is the way you can benefit far beyond the Qantas network. With our oneworld partners your status is recognised wherever your journey takes you. Silver, Gold and Platinum members enjoy the benefits of oneworld Ruby, Sapphire or Emerald status, based on equivalent membership level with Frequent Flyer.

https://www.qantas.com/fflyer/dyn/flying/tier-benefits#benefits-of-platinum

 

[JohnK]

I can find nothing on either the Qantas or OW site that supports this statement.

No need to search Oneworld site. You are a Qantas Platinum not a Oneworld Emerald. You are only a Oneworld Emerald when you fly another Oneworld airline.

 

[durbrain]

This is why, a oneworld emerald (say AA elite) flying on EK couldn't get in under their status (non oneworld operated flight) but could under the CoS if they flew J or F. It is also why AA can deny their elites access to their domestic clubs but allow other OWS/OWE in - in essence AA is doing exactly what QF is doing with their own pax in my view.

I had this applied back in December when I met someone at random at security at MEL flying CX. I was on EK (QF code). tried to guest into F lounge but knocked back as they weren't on the EK flight. It's what I half expected but didn't hurt to ask.

I disagree that QF is doing what AA is doing. AA's exemption for their own members is ​part of the OW rules. So an AA can enter using OW status, but they still can't use their own domestic lounges as per the OW rules. QF not allowing QF members flying QF metal to bring in a OW guest is breaking the OW rules. So the only way around that is to say that OW status is not recognised - this is what most ppl are saying but nobody has provided any evidence this is case.

I take the point about QF not wanting to pay for outside plebs, but this is incredibly stingy, given a) they have to do it if a QF member brings another OW member into any other OW lounge and b) the situation where a QF member flying QF metal wanting to bring in another OW member would be rare. In any case, this still doesn't excuse being outside the OW rules.